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tennisqt84
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| From what I've read so far, I've gathered that Apollo and ILA are the big language schools in Ho Chi Minh because you can earn a Celta certificate. However, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about the International TESOL Teacher Training (ITTT) program also in Viet Nam? |
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ESL Hobo
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| I got my ITTT online through Phuket. It has served me well, it's not top shelf like a CELTA (which I would recommend if you have the time and money) but I have used it to help get me jobs in Taiwan, Thailand and the USA. Sorry but dont know about their program in Vietnam. |
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Andy123
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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They are going to teach you to color really well. If you want to spend your money and learn how to color pretty pictures than sign up.
Do a google search and educate yourself. |
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The Fat Rabbit
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Buffalo Boy
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| If you want to learn how to colour pictures enrole yourself in children's class at VATC. |
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Andy123
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Fat Rabbit, thank you for your post and the link. I stand corrected. In my haste I confused the acronym with another similar one used to sell programs. I should have been more careful. Thank you for bringing my mistake to my attention. I apologize to ITTT.
The program that I was referring to is a long established company that has been training teachers here in Vietnam for years. I have watched these student teachers intensely colour for hours. No joke. The scary part is they really think it is valuable lexical methodology. |
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Andy123
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Here is the offical accreditation that ITTT is claiming. I don't see ITTT on their official site. Maybe they forgot to list ITTT?
http://www.i-taa.com/Accredited-Providers.
Are they accredited or not? If ITTT is claiming accreditation they should be listed on the offical website. Why are they not? |
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Wide Awake
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Andy123
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate to say it but ILA and Apollo sound pretty good. At least the student teachers would know the difference between a conjuction and a contraction. |
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The Fat Rabbit
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Their online courses are validated and monitored by IATQUO. go here.
http://www.iatquo.org/Tcentres.shtml
I can't find any complaints or negative information about IATQUO, can you? I hadn't heard of it until now, but it seems legit to me.
It can be assumed that ITTT use the same curriculum in the face to face courses. So, that would only leave the quality of instructors in these face to face courses up for debate. Since no one here is denying that they are better courses to be taken in the world of English teaching, I think the issue of whether or not ITTT is legitimate can be laid to rest. |
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The Fat Rabbit
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Upon further examination, I discover that ITTT has two websites. these two websites are nearly identical and both claim to be ITTT, everything is the same with the exception of the TESOL and TEFL acronyms. My guess is that it's a marketing strategy to attract people who like the TEFL acronym better than the TESOL one and vice-versa. doing a Google search of either acronym will bring up ITTT. The websites have the same contact details as well.
http://www.tesolcourse.com
http://www.teflcourse.net
I know it seems fishy, however I took this online course about a year ago and when I finished they actually asked me which acronym I want on the paper.
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Here is the official accreditation that ITTT is claiming. I don't see ITTT on their official site. Maybe they forgot to list ITTT?
http://www.i-taa.com/Accredited-Providers.
Are they accredited or not? If ITTT is claiming accreditation they should be listed on the official website. Why are they not? |
where do you see ITTT claiming I-TAA accreditation? they claim it from IATQUO and the IATQUO website backs up the accreditation. see the link to that IATQUO page in my previous post.
in fact, both of their websites claim IATQUO accreditation.
here, scroll down to the 'Why choose ITTT?' section, it's in the first point.
http://www.teflonline.net/courses/
and here.
http://www.tesolcourse.com/affiliations.php
my final verdict, if they're a scam, they're doing a damn good job of it.
to get back on to the original topic here, I should say that I have taken an online ITTT course and the CELTA course at Apollo HCMC. I learned a lot from the ITTT course; the curriculum was great, and my online tutor was helpful. I can't see any reason to dissuade anyone from taking this course. The only real issue is that online courses aren't equal to CELTA or in class TESOL/TEFL certs because there isn't any observed teaching and practice. But for the price, it's worth it. About CELTA, for obvious reasons, the money you would pay for it would also be well worth it. I learned a lot there too. In my opinion, a comparison of the two curricula would show many similarities and few differences.
I know nothing of the in-class ITTT course that exists in Vietnam. Someone else will have to enlighten us on that one. |
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Andy123
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Here it is Fatrabbit. This is from ITTT:
Classroom based TESOL certificate courses are moderated and externally validated by the Board of Academic Advisors (BOAA. The BOAA includes many internationally recognized experts in the field of TESOL. Applicants can be assured of the highest standards and quality, wherever and whenever they take one of our courses.
ITTT is the ONLY online TESOL course provider externally accredited and moderated by IATQuO (International Accreditation of TESOL Qualifying Organizations). The vast majority of employers will require you to have a 100-hour online TESOL certificate. ITTT is one of the few online TESOL course providers that fulfill this criteria
This is from IATQuO:
List of validated and moderated courses
The following courses have been validated and moderated by IATQuO:
The following TEFL Certificate courses have been validated and moderated by IATQuO
TEFL Paris, France
To contact them [email protected]
Tel in Paris: +33(0) 143 25 79 66
Tel in Tournan: +33(0) 164 25 47 70
TT Madrid
To contact them [email protected]
From UK: +44(0) 20 7558 8133
From US: +1561 459 2059
From Spain: +34 9157 21999
Skype Ttmadridtefl
Calle General Yag�e, 70 1A,
28020 Madrid
Espa�a
TEFL Barcelona
To contact them [email protected]
+34 93 238 45 16
Pl. Gl. La Plac�dia, 22
08006 Barcelona- Spain
Tefltoulouse
To contact them [email protected]
Toulouse, France: +33 6 30 15 38 10
28, Port Saint Sauveur 31000 Toulouse - France
The following online course has been validated and moderated by IATQuO:
ITTT online course (20 unit tutored and examined courses ONLY)
To contact them [email protected]
N.B. This course provides a sound introduction to the grammar and the phonology of English as well as to learning and teaching styles ans strategies.
It cannot, of course, provide supervised teaching practice or other practical experience
Fatrabit wrote: I know it seems fishy, however I took this online course about a year ago and when I finished they actually asked me which acronym I want on the paper.
Are you kidding me? If I go to the University and study basket weaving can I have my degree read Docortate of Medicine?
ITTT is only accredited for their "Online Course"! Does this program really sound right? Is it a scam? Their classroom course is accreditted by themselves. Give me a break. Wake up people!
The leason is, if you want to learn something of value go to a real school. You can not teach something you don't know. Don't waste your time and especially don't waste your students time. What a shame. |
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The Fat Rabbit
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Here it is Fatrabbit. This is from ITTT:
Classroom based TESOL certificate courses are moderated and externally validated by the Board of Academic Advisors (BOAA. The BOAA includes many internationally recognized experts in the field of TESOL. Applicants can be assured of the highest standards and quality, wherever and whenever they take one of our courses.
ITTT is the ONLY online TESOL course provider externally accredited and moderated by IATQuO (International Accreditation of TESOL Qualifying Organizations). The vast majority of employers will require you to have a 100-hour online TESOL certificate. ITTT is one of the few online TESOL course providers that fulfill this criteria
This is from IATQuO:
List of validated and moderated courses
The following courses have been validated and moderated by IATQuO:
The following TEFL Certificate courses have been validated and moderated by IATQuO
TEFL Paris, France
To contact them [email protected]
Tel in Paris: +33(0) 143 25 79 66
Tel in Tournan: +33(0) 164 25 47 70
TT Madrid
To contact them [email protected]
From UK: +44(0) 20 7558 8133
From US: +1561 459 2059
From Spain: +34 9157 21999
Skype Ttmadridtefl
Calle General Yag�e, 70 1A,
28020 Madrid
Espa�a
TEFL Barcelona
To contact them [email protected]
+34 93 238 45 16
Pl. Gl. La Plac�dia, 22
08006 Barcelona- Spain
Tefltoulouse
To contact them [email protected]
Toulouse, France: +33 6 30 15 38 10
28, Port Saint Sauveur 31000 Toulouse - France
The following online course has been validated and moderated by IATQuO:
ITTT online course (20 unit tutored and examined courses ONLY)
To contact them [email protected]
N.B. This course provides a sound introduction to the grammar and the phonology of English as well as to learning and teaching styles ans strategies.
It cannot, of course, provide supervised teaching practice or other practical experience |
you took this info from the links i provided in my previous post. This information simply disproves that ITTT ever claimed I-TAA accreditation, like you previously stated. As well, I said that it's only the online courses that are accredited externally, so there isn't any new information here.
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Fatrabit wrote: I know it seems fishy, however I took this online course about a year ago and when I finished they actually asked me which acronym I want on the paper.
Are you kidding me? If I go to the University and study basket weaving can I have my degree read Docortate of Medicine? |
First of all, I have no idea what a DOCORTATE of Medicine is, but perhaps one can be acquired after studying basket weaving at a university level. Does that also exist where you come from?
First it was colouring pictures and now it's basket weaving. Would you mind explaining to me what the problem is with offering a certificate with your choice of either acronym? There's no significant difference between the two. However, there is a vast difference between Medicine and basket weaving, you get my point? This isn't a trinity certificate, or a CELTA, so the letters on the paper don't matter at all. However, I agree it seems funny to offer both and not stick to one.
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| ITTT is only accredited for their "Online Course"! Does this program really sound right? Is it a scam? Their classroom course is accreditted by themselves. Give me a break. Wake up people! |
There, you said it, like I did previously. Their online courses are accredited externally, and their in-class courses aren't. However, they offer in-class courses in at least 18 countries, and their own BOAA validates all of the course locations. I guess that's not enough for you, is it. Or you just don't believe them?
Think of the bigger picture here. If anyone was willing to pay over $1000 for a course and happened to take this one, they probably didn't do enough research and quite possibly wasted their time since their certificate might not be recognized everywhere. If someone just needed an online course, well then I see no reason not to take this one given the price.
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| The leason is, if you want to learn something of value go to a real school. You can not teach something you don't know. Don't waste your time and especially don't waste your students time. What a shame. |
That's interesting, you teach LEASONS at your school... hm. At mine, we teach lessons, and the lesson here is do research before you pay money for a course. Plain and simple. After doing research on this ITTT course, one can conclude the EXACT same thing that was said in the second post of this thread.
| ESL Hobo wrote: |
| I got my ITTT online through Phuket. It has served me well, it's not top shelf like a CELTA (which I would recommend if you have the time and money) but I have used it to help get me jobs in Taiwan, Thailand and the USA. Sorry but dont know about their program in Vietnam. |
It's not the best out there, but its legit, and will get you a job. |
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