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Cost of supporting myself until I get a job?
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JLL



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Cost of supporting myself until I get a job? Reply with quote

If I were to go to Poland and spend some time traveling around to find a town I liked and then trying to get a job, what could I expect to spend roughly per day until I started working? (Assuming I got a job within a reasonable time.)

I taught for 3.5 years in Japan, but have no certification. I have read here that finding a job in country is easiest in Poland, or I'd just try over the internet.

Thanks.
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JPM



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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budget about 50zl per night for a hostel room. A cheap meal in the milk bar will set you back 8 to 10zl. Beer's around 6 or 7 here in Krakow (off the main square!) and I don't know nothing about train fares. Good luck.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Cost of supporting myself until I get a job? Reply with quote

JLL wrote:
If I were to go to Poland and spend some time traveling around to find a town I liked and then trying to get a job, what could I expect to spend roughly per day until I started working? (Assuming I got a job within a reasonable time.)


What a question! It's like asking how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie pop.

You really should be more specific about how long you intend to travel and what a 'reasonable' amount of time is! It will also make a huge difference which cities you visit, hotels or hostels, kebap or steak, etc., etc. etc.
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JLL



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'd be on the cheap, hostels and cheap food. Reasonable time would be enough to find a town I liked and a job there, and within enough time on my 90-day visa (from USA) to get all the paperwork done -- really, however long it takes X a rough daily estimate is what I was curious about.

Thanks for the replies, and yes you're right, this is still a somewhat vague plan but it is starting to solidify now! Smile Want to make sure I have a reasonable amount of money to get me through.
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JLL



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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JPM wrote:
Budget about 50zl per night for a hostel room. A cheap meal in the milk bar will set you back 8 to 10zl. Beer's around 6 or 7 here in Krakow (off the main square!) and I don't know nothing about train fares. Good luck.


Thanks. So maybe US$30/day, plus trains, could cover it?
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll want to time this trip carefully to co-incide with the main hiring periods to maximise your chances. Most contracts are Sept/Oct thru June, so if you get to Poland at the end of August, you'll have the most time within your 90 days to try to land a job that will help you get legal working papers.

Keep in mind that most school directors will be on holiday in August, so you may not find too many people around to talk to you then.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wouldn't recommend this approach. Maximum amount of time to spend cruising around Poland, looking at each city, would be about three weeks; then, you really need to knuckle down and find a school who are willing to start the paperwork process that lets you stay beyond 90 days. This is a continuing theme on the Polish forum, and well worth reading in to.

It's not easy to do Poland "on the cheap" these days; as soon as you plan to do anything in the evenings, that $30 a day can quickly double.
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JLL



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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks spiral78 and Richfilth for your replies.

Around August is when I would probably be going anyway, so that's good.

Many seem to swear by fixing a job before going, and others swear by doing it once there; it's hard to tell really which is best, but I imagine that both are quite possible. The reason I was thinking of doing it this way is that for the past couple years I've been traveling around SE Asia and China, and often saw English schools and things in towns, and always thought, if I was in the market for a job, well I could try that place...

Now I am in the market for a job, and I liked the idea of getting the feel of a town before committing to anything. Though I certainly haven't ruled out the other approach.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLL wrote:
It'd be on the cheap, hostels and cheap food. Reasonable time would be enough to find a town I liked and a job there, and within enough time on my 90-day visa (from USA) to get all the paperwork done -- really, however long it takes X a rough daily estimate is what I was curious about.


You would need to find a job very soon after arriving in Poland in order to get your visa paperwork filed in time; I mean within the first few weeks. The problem is that very few schools will actually hire Americans because of all this paperwork!

If you don't have a job on arrival, there is a good chance you'll have to do a visa run to a non-Schengen country to restart your 90-days (I did).
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JLL



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
The problem is that very few schools will actually hire Americans because of all this paperwork!


That's a significant point, thanks for making it. Maybe a non-EU country would be easier for this approach (land-and-search). Curse the overlap of my interest in Eastern Europe and EU visa issuance! Evil or Very Mad

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If you don't have a job on arrival, there is a good chance you'll have to do a visa run to a non-Schengen country to restart your 90-days (I did).


Well, not a bad adventure, really...! If the job ends up being not in Poland, so be it. Whatever works.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an idea, but why not research some Polish cities and pick one you very much think you'd like to live in before coming to Poland?

Then, apply to every decent school you can find in this city via email. (I'm sure people on Dave's, and searching old threads, can assist you in finding these schools.) Set up as many interviews as possible for after you arrive. Some schools will even send you sample contracts if they are serious about you.

Finally, go to that city and interview like mad. You should find something.

I think this would be a much better approach than touring a bunch of cities and bouncing from hostel to hostel. How are you going to teach demo lessons and keep the ball rolling with potential employers if you're constantly leaving town?

You'd want to start doing this now, as a lot of the better schools do most of their hiring for the coming academic year in May/June. Wait too long, and you will get zlich for interviews cause everybody and their dog is out on vacation. Cool
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JLL



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
Just an idea, but why not research some Polish cities and pick one you very much think you'd like to live in before coming to Poland?

Then, apply to every decent school you can find in this city via email.


That's a good idea. The only reason I thought of the other way was that so many people said they had done it that way. Actually, "bouncing around from hostel to hostel and constantly leaving town" sounds like fun to me (that's sort of what I've been doing since last teaching in 2007!) but maybe not the best approach for looking for a job.

I will do some research on Polish towns as you suggest. One thing though; isn't there a sort of secondary hiring time around September? (Or am I confusing Poland with some other country I was researching... Wink) Don't think I'd be ready to go in June.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLL wrote:
That's a good idea. The only reason I thought of the other way was that so many people said they had done it that way. Actually, "bouncing around from hostel to hostel and constantly leaving town" sounds like fun to me (that's sort of what I've been doing since last teaching in 2007!) but maybe not the best approach for looking for a job.

I will do some research on Polish towns as you suggest. One thing though; isn't there a sort of secondary hiring time around September? (Or am I confusing Poland with some other country I was researching... Wink) Don't think I'd be ready to go in June.


Yes. The demand for teachers is probably highest in Sept. But, like I wrote, now is also a good time to line something up for a Sept. start.

If you really want to backpack around Eastern Europe on the cheap, head for Ukraine. Things often cost a fraction of what the do here in Poland. A friend of mine just got back from a three week trip/visa run to the Ukraine and loved it. The city L'viv, in particular, is really nice. I've been there.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:16 am    Post subject: Erm Reply with quote

I travel in Poland regularly. You will struggle to find ok accommodation for 30usd in a big city. A hostel in Poznan is 100zl/night. No cert is also a prob as is the visa issue. Check out up to date prices as you may get a nasty shock. I'd budget for 300zl/day.
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JLL



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Master Shake and sharter. Poland may be slipping away from my realm of possibilities... at least the land-and-search approach.

Ukraine would be fine with me, but I understand that the paperwork is often (prohibitively?) difficult to arrange. Not sure about finding a job once there. Anyway, perhaps a question for the Ukraine board.

Thanks for the heads up on the prices in Poland.
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