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[Danaa]

When we think we've seen it all, more things happen.

A large private school with the name "International" in its name with many branches in HCMC does not help teachers get a work permit. They also hired many that cannot get a work permit because of a lack of quals. Fair enough.

But now, they are insisting that we sign a contract that if we are caught teaching at this school without a work permit, we must pay the 5 million dong fine.

Some teachers have refused, one was sacked, and others are just signing the dotted line.

[mickeyrex]

It'd be kind of nice to have the actual Vn document of the requirements (2010) that a teacher is supposed to meet in order to obtain a work permit. There seems to be quite a bit of disinformation circling about.

[Andy123]

Still feel loved? It is going to get worse. Do you really think they care?

Years ago a teacher died at a "large" school and the school never even bought flowers. They don't care. We are a white face for marketing because the Vietnamese can do everything better. Just ask them.

[eclectic]

[eclectic]

[jb0072009]

Here is what the government wants for a WP currently taken from
http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20100410163137.aspx
Criteria for foreign labors in Vietnam:

- Age 18 and above.

- In good health, able to meet job�s physical requirements.

- Working as manager, managing director or expert. - Clean personal records and no criminal convictions.

- A work permit issued by authorized Vietnamese agencies.



Documents required to obtain work permit:

- Application form issued by the Ministry of Labor, War Invalids, and Social Affairs (MoLISA)

- Resum� (Curriculum Vitae) form issued by the MoLISA

- Verification of no criminal record by native country, or if the applicant has resided in Vietnam for six months or more by Vietnamese agencies (Department of Justice) in the city or province where the applicant is a registered resident.

- Health certificate issued by qualified hospital (Cho Ray Hospital, Saigon Hospital, several international hospitals and others qualify).

- Copies of degrees and/or professional certificates. - Three passport photos.

*All documents written in English must be translated and notarized by authorized Vietnamese agencies (Notarization Office No. 1 or �Ph�ng c�ng chứng số 1� at 92 Nguyen Du Street, District 1)

**A criminal record check from a foreign country must be notarized by that country�s consulate or embassy in Vietnam



No work permit required:

- Working in Vietnam for less than three months. - Members or owners of limited companies.

- Members of joint stock companies� board of directors.

- Services promoters.

- Lawyers having work permits issued by Vietnam�s Ministry of Justice


In addition schools have their own requirements outside of these such as a notarized TEFL (varies from school to school)

[Danaa]

[quote="eclectic"]

[Wide Awake]

I know a few teachers that work there and it's true. Good luck to anyone that chooses to work for them.

[Andy123]

Good post Danaa. Thank you for the information. I am sure that it will help many people. I don't know what Eclectic's problem is but just ignore him.

MOD EDIT This is not what Dave's ESL is about.

I'm sure you saved many people some heartache who will choose not to work there.

[Oh My God]

IPS and AHS are owned by one individual whom makes money not only from his schools but also from real estate transactions. He's highly educated and well connected with many officials in government offices from all branches.

He could care less what WE think about his policies as he's basically "untouchable" for complaints lodged against his organization.

He'll always be able to find a replacement for any disgruntled ex-employee as they offer large blocks of hours for preferred teachers and their requirements for "teaching" are fairly low. The salary rates are "for the market" are fairly high. There's a lot of negative things you can say about this organization but his managers are usually quite accommodating and will give you some special favors for any number of reasons, if you're popular because the students pretty much "run the show".

This is a joke of a school but they offer competitive rates for the education that they offer to the diligent student, all other students get lost in the fray.

I personally worked there for a couple of years but grew frustrated by the sheer number of students I wasn't able to "inspire" to move towards a reasonable education. Most "teachers" were really highly paid babysitters.

If you're here for the money, this is a good place to work. If you're a bit more conscientious, avoid this place like the plague.

[eclectic]

not saying the school in question isn't terrible. MOD EDIT

[Mr. Kalgukshi]

Please stay on topic. If not, postings will be edited or deleted and the thread may cease to be available. Oh, and let us not forget the possibility of sanctions for those members who don't, can't or won't abide by friendly warnings like this one.

[Dave_1]

I'd be grateful if anyone could help me with a question I have. Can anybody confirm if it is true that from July 1st teachers or any foreign worker will not be allowed to do a visa run whereby they leave Vietnam for only a few days, then re-enter Vietnam, receiving a new 3 month business visa. I read elsewhere that from July 1st I would have to stay outside the country for 1 month before being allowed a 3 month business visa to re-enter vietnam. Is this being enforced?

Thanks for any info or help you can offer me.

[TimkinMS]