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yeahbear
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 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: Non felony regular DUI on Criminal record |
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| What countries can I work legally in. Informaition I have found is rather contradicting. |
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Justin Trullinger
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:39 am Post subject: |
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COntradictions are part of life overseas.
What you'll find is, the laws, as they're written, aren't 100% clear and unambiguous. And even when they might be, the people in charge of making decisions for visas may not be familiar with finer points of law that don't come up often.
THe best advice I can offer is:
A) go ahead and start applying. Until you actually get a visa, there's a limit on the value of being told "yes you can in X country."
B) As you start thinking of specific countries post'em here. YOu may get better info by asking about specific countries.
C) DON'T put off the visa thing. SOme people put this off until arrival- due to your situation, I would not consider this.
From my experience- in much of Latin America, a DUI would be a problem, according to the letter of the law, but criminal record would probably not be checked.
I don't know if a DUI is a deal breaker in Korea, where I am now. BUt I know that they check your criminal record for some kinds of visas, not for others.
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yeahbear
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| thanks Justin, from what I researched my best bet it Thailand for an Asian country. Does anyone know if I can work legally in Poland or the Czech Republic. |
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Any positive finding on a criminal record check will preclude you from obtaining a visa ANYWHERE that a CRC is asked for. They don't differentiate between offenses, just yes you have one or no you don't.
Depending on where you are coming from you may not get a "B" visa for Thailand. The Thai Embassies in North America require a CRC for issuance of a non-immigrant "B" visa for the purpose of teaching. I don't know about Thai Embassies in Europe and it is getting more difficult to obtain a "B" visa in the countries adjacent to Thailand to obtain the "B" visa.
Your DUI WILL make it impossible possible to work legally in Korea.
It is possible to work in Japan with it but you may not qualify for things like the JET program.
Not (legally) possible to work in Vietnam with a positive finding on your CRC.
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yeahbear
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| I am from The United States. SO it is basically impossible for me to work legally anywhere? |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| yeahbear wrote: |
| I am from The United States. SO it is basically impossible for me to work legally anywhere? |
There are still lots of countries (Mexico and most of central and south America) that do not require you to submit a CRC for the visa process (although it may be required for employment - you are usually working with minors).
As long as you have your Bachelors degree you can usually find work somewhere. It is getting much harder to do with out one.
IF you:
Do NOT have a bachelors degree AND
you DO have a DUI
the chances of successfully gaining employment (and staying employed) in this field approach "0".
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fladude
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
Any positive finding on a criminal record check will preclude you from obtaining a visa ANYWHERE that a CRC is asked for. They don't differentiate between offenses, just yes you have one or no you don't.
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That's certainly not true. It will preclude you from working in Korea, or so I have been told, but there are plenty of countries where you can work with a misdemeanor. To suggest that you can't work ANYWHERE that they have a background check is absurd.
Anyway you can always teach in the USA with a DUI. And yes the USA is SOMEWHERE and yes they do background checks. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| fladude wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
Any positive finding on a criminal record check will preclude you from obtaining a visa ANYWHERE that a CRC is asked for. They don't differentiate between offenses, just yes you have one or no you don't.
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That's certainly not true. It will preclude you from working in Korea, or so I have been told, but there are plenty of countries where you can work with a misdemeanor. To suggest that you can't work ANYWHERE that they have a background check is absurd.
Anyway you can always teach in the USA with a DUI. And yes the USA is SOMEWHERE and yes they do background checks. |
My point was that the immigration offices in countries other than your own, if they seek a CRC for the visa application, WILL deny the visa if there is ANY positive finding on the background check.
Most of them are not English speaking (or have minimal English ability) and they just look at yes or no, not at the particulars of the offense.
Vietnam is a case in point but you are also correct in that Korea will also refuse a visa if there is any positive finding on the CRC - regardless of the nature of the offense.
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spiral78
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| I can confirm that the Czech Rep does require a criminal background check. I guess Poland too, but don't know 100 percent. |
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Justin Trullinger
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| My point was that the immigration offices in countries other than your own, if they seek a CRC for the visa application, WILL deny the visa if there is ANY positive finding on the background check. |
I understand that this is your point. It's a massive generalization, though, and untrue.
This hasn't come up for me; my criminal record is clear, I think, but it's been years since I've been in a situation where they asked to see one.
When I worked in Ecuador, I processed visa paperwork for our incoming teachers, and on more than one occasion was successful in obtaining visas for teachers with unrelated minor convictions on their records.
In Korea, where I now am, they are very strict about CRCs. For some visa types. Though, as I said, my CRC is clear, I wasn't asked for it for the visa I have. It just depends....
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jpvanderwerf2001
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I've taught in five countries--Ukraine, Russia, Mexico, Argentina, and India, and have never been asked about my criminal record.
Well, to get my residency in Russia I did have to produce it, but not before.
I think that there aren't that many countries that require such a document. Might be off on that, though.
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tttompatz
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AGAIN... the point was IF THEY ASK FOR IT .... you would (almost always - if not always) be declined...
NOT that is is always (or even often) required. for a visa or employment (but again, this is rapidly changing).
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Justin Trullinger
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Fair enough, ttompatz, for you to state that this is your experience.
I am stating concretely that I know of many circumstances where a criminal background check was required, where the applicant had an old DUI conviction, where this was deemed not relevant by immigration authorities. (Probably because it wouldn't relate to teaching work, and because in many countries only a very small minority of English teachers drive.)
I am not saying this will always be the case, but it is a possible (in my experience, likely) situation.
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FrenchLieutenant'sWoman
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| You have bigger problems than a DUI if you want to work in the Czech Rep or Poland as a US citizen. Just getting the visa will be challenging.... |
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yeahbear
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| How hard would it be to obtain legal employment visa included in Thailand with the DUI charge? |
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