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El Chupacabra
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 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: Yang-En University: Deceptive Advertising |
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According to Yang-En University's latest ad on Dave's: "Tax-free salary for the 10-month contract ranges from 60,000 RMB and up, paid monthly from September in 10 equal installments."
According to their FAO, via e-mail: "Frankly speaking, 5500RMB/per month is for Master degree candidates and 6000/per month is for PHD candidates.Thank you for your consideration.
Regards,
Foreign Affairs Office"
Just be careful if you're thinking of working for this outfit. If they'll lie about salary, who knows what else they'll lie about! |
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LanGuTou
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Location: Shandong
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Yang-En University: Deceptive Advertising |
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| El Chupacabra wrote: |
According to Yang-En University's latest ad on Dave's: "Tax-free salary for the 10-month contract ranges from 60,000 RMB and up, paid monthly from September in 10 equal installments."
According to their FAO, via e-mail: "Frankly speaking, 5500RMB/per month is for Master degree candidates and 6000/per month is for PHD candidates.Thank you for your consideration.
Regards,
Foreign Affairs Office"
Just be careful if you're thinking of working for this outfit. If they'll lie about salary, who knows what else they'll lie about! |
Maybe they are also lying about the tax free benefit or simply lying to the Chinese tax authorities!  |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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if u factor in airfare money and any other benefits
it probably comes in over 60000rmb per month
so i wouldnt be too harsh on them |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Salaries are way too low in China nowadays. Who, with a REAL PhD or a REAL Master's is going to work for less than a McDonald's burger flipper in their home country?
Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Europe, the Middle East-- all have jobs for people with simple bachelor's degrees. With salaries far more than what are offered in China.
My boss pays me well over 12,000 a month, airfare, and a fully-furnished apartment.
And he can afford it. |
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Lister
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
if u factor in airfare money and any other benefits
it probably comes in over 60000rmb per month
so i wouldnt be too harsh on them |
What benefits could make make it jump from 6000 a month to 60000? Airfare ? Where are you flying from ?!! |
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El Chupacabra
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
if u factor in airfare money and any other benefits
it probably comes in over 60000rmb per month
so i wouldnt be too harsh on them |
I'm not being harsh, just wary. Salary is salary, not airfare. A lie is a lie, no matter how much you equivocate. |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| sorry there, i meant per year |
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xjgirl
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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but yeah it's BS, draw u in tactics
5000 for BA's then?
pretty average for a chinese university |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| xjgirl wrote: |
but yeah it's BS, draw u in tactics
5000 for BA's then?
pretty average for a chinese university |
Yeah, it's a bait-and-switch. If it's just a typo, it's a bad typo. But to defend it with the preface "Frankly speaking" is not quite fessing up. That's a flag for me, that some of the other promises may not be on the up-and-up.
Too bad, because I have read other posts about Yang-En, and the place doesn't really sound bad. The campus is beautiful and some folk have had good experiences there. They are also involved in English Teaching Reform which is one of my areas of interest.
By the way, I hear the faculty housing is in a 20-story building. Wonder if that's average too, meaning no elevator! |
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kev7161
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's a typo. 60000 for a 10 month contract equals 6000 per month. Here are additional items I get on top of a regular salary:
Free, fully furnished 2-bedroom apartment with all utilities (including drinking water and internet) included
1100rmb per semester travel allowance
1000 rmb per semester bonus pay for "job well done"
up to 10000 rmb airfare refund
Free meals on campus (okay, not that great of a perk but free food is free food)
IF I were offered 5000 per month (50000 for a 10 month contract), the extras mentioned above would more than cover that extra "missing" thousand. Also, the longer I worked at an establishment, the odds are the higher my salary would go up. The more dependable I proved to be, the easier it would be for me to negotiate higher salaries and better perks. |
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El Chupacabra
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kev7161 wrote: |
| IF I were offered 5000 per month (50000 for a 10 month contract), the extras mentioned above would more than cover that extra "missing" thousand. |
Those percs may be nice for you, but are still a 50K salary. The 10k bonus can be yanked if your FAO or administration has an incentive to weasel out of it.
Apartments are pretty standard, not really a perc. We've had a range of quality in dwellings here in China, and learned that healthy living is better than roomy living. The best was an undersized corporate apartment off-campus, and the worst was a 3-bedroom that reeked of sewer gas, across from the university basketball courts. Who needs two extra toilets and the sound of bouncing balls on warm sunny days?
I don't see how you advantage from letting your FAO save 1k/month for you. Doubling that with a mattress account is easier, and your cash stays liquid. With two extra mouths to feed, clothe, and send to school, I have to control our family's money, not let some bureaucrat control it.
From your reply it seems that you have a trust relationship with your FAO. If this arrangement works for you, then by all means keep it. But you are still only taking home 5k/month, not 6k/month as you rationalize. The end-of-year bonus is not part of your salary. |
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kev7161
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Actually, all my "perks" are written into my contract. Anyone gullible enough in China to assume that any sort of oral agreement would be valid in the future deserves what they (don't) get. Also, I've been at my job for five years - - I earn almost triple the 5000 yuan being discussed, thanks.
Perhaps the advertisement should have read "up to 60000 rmb on a 10 month contract depending on qualifications" and the OP was wise to make inquiries. But I still maintain that what I am NOT spending out of pocket (such as rent and utilities) is like money earned. I certainly would be spending a boatload of money on these type of expenses back in the states! |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kev7161 wrote: |
| I still maintain that what I am NOT spending out of pocket (such as rent and utilities) is like money earned. I certainly would be spending a boatload of money on these type of expenses back in the states! |
Agreed. However, with a sufficient salary, rent and utilities aren't really a financial issue. Making agreements with local landlords and utilities providers is more of a logistics issue, with a language barrier complication. But this is not insurmountable. |
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gene
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:29 am Post subject: |
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kev7161 wrote:
I still maintain that what I am NOT spending out of pocket (such as rent and utilities) is like money earned. I certainly would be spending a boatload of money on these type of expenses back in the states!
Agreed. However, with a sufficient salary, rent and utilities aren't really a financial issue. Making agreements with local landlords and utilities providers is more of a logistics issue, with a language barrier complication. But this is not insurmountable. |
Absolutely El Chupacabra, and there is less complication achieving the terms of a contract when those terms are limited to money and not to perks...also, independence is far more valuable the not having the responsibility of your living conditions. |
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denisovich
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Well spotted El Chup. In another advertisement they say 50,000 and up. Their advertisement has been changed this year. For several years the offer was 45,000-60,000 dependant on qualifications and experience. Only returning teachers made more.
Despite some spectacularly bad press in the past Yang-En has been quite a good place to teach for several years past. However, it is currently undergoing what I would euphemistically term a 'transitional phase' in it's development. The FAO is reduced to one staff member and returning teachers are still waiting for contract offers for the next academic year. In short, a lot of things are up in the air at the moment and anyone considering this University would be well advised to question carefully and pin down the terms of any offer they make.
Where did you read these positive reports?
Are they recent or a few years old? |
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