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Charvo
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:57 am Post subject: fingerprint/power of attorney for criminal background check |
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I have been living in Vietnam for the past 4 years. I want to get the criminal background check to get a work permit and to invest in Vietnamese stocks. I checked the website of the local police department for the city I used to live in the USA. It says
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Personal criminal history - present yourself at the ABC Administration Building, 1200 Travis, 10th floor with a copy of your government issued identification, get fingerprinted, and wait while they process your request. Or, you can mail a copy of your identification and a set of your fingerprints prepared by a law enforcement agency and the information will be mailed to you within 15 business days. |
I don't know of a place in Ho Chi Minh city that will do fingerprints for me. Does anyone know of one?
If that isn't possible, I read that it is possible to give power of attorney to someone in order for them to have access to these records. However, wouldn't the fingerprints still be necessary?
I am not sure about the rule concerning the criminal background check. Do I actually need one from the USA or just the local Vietnamese criminal background check because I've lived here for over 6 months?
Anyone here tried buying Vietnamese stocks? Do I actually need a criminal background check? |
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Oh My God
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 273
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: fingerprint/power of attorney for criminal background ch |
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Charvo wrote: |
I have been living in Vietnam for the past 4 years. I want to get the criminal background check to get a work permit and to invest in Vietnamese stocks. I checked the website of the local police department for the city I used to live in the USA. I don't know of a place in Ho Chi Minh city that will do fingerprints for me. Does anyone know of one?
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For fingerprints, you could go to the US Consulate. You'll have to go through the American Services division and that's a problem because they don't have that machine in there but they'll make arraignments for you to go to the Immigration division to get it done. They fingerprint all new immigrants now.
But I've got a question. Are you going to get a job teaching so that you can stay here to trade VN stocks?
You should be able to set-up some kind of investment business because then business owners don't need WP's. I'd research this if I were you.
If you're stuck on the idea of getting a teaching WP, I'd advise do the Power of Attorney as there could be additional documents that'll need endorsements, translation, etc...
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I am not sure about the rule concerning the criminal background check. Do I actually need one from the USA or just the local Vietnamese criminal background check because I've lived here for over 6 months? |
This always comes up mostly due to a misunderstanding of VN law. IMO, you'll need both. It just makes sense, for a criminal background check to be complete - you need to show your lifetime criminal history.
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Anyone here tried buying Vietnamese stocks? Do I actually need a criminal background check? |
I don't have a clue maybe "Londo" can comment. |
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Charvo
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 37
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply. It would make sense for the immigration division of the embassy to have the ability to fingerprint someone. I think I'll inquire into that.
I went to the www.saigonnezumi.com. The blogger there says I only need a local police check done here if I have lived here for over 6 months. Like you said, I would think you need both too. I'm pretty sure the cops want to know if I was a felon back in the states. However, I don't actually want to go through the time and trouble to get a criminal background check from the states if I don't have to.
As far as investing goes, I just have a certain amount of money that I would like to build on as far as planning for retirement in the future. I'm not a bigshot investor. I think only the foreign direct investors can actually get licenses. |
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londo
Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Posts: 107 Location: District 7
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Are we talking SE, bond, wholly-owned foreign companies, JV or part-ownership of VN Ltd companies?
As for Stocks, you need to do it through a registered investment vehicle i.e an investment fund, Dragon comes to mind as do some others, no licence needed. Bonds idem. Individual investment in stocks is strongly ill-advised at the moment IMO, but if you want to, go to a bank and speak to the investment manager (Sacom have proved good - also for gold by the way) and though we invest through the company, looking at the forms see no requirements for criminal checks but of course funds must be verifiable i.e from clear and legal sources.
Company start-ups require a biz-plan and proof of funds, not necessarily in VN, of at least $40k, though this depends on the DPI office and sector (retail is becoming increasingly difficult, capital wise).
A classic 70/30 VN/foreign company is possible but are no longer considered VN entities but FD investments and require a long-winded DPI procedure and high capital requirements which block many SMEs.
Buying active participation in wholly owned VN Ltd companies is blocked at the moment, there have been some recent decrees which have (as usual) muddied the waters and everythings stopped. The only way to this is to liquidate existing VN company and open a new JV which has to processed by Hanoi DPI with same Charter capital requirements as a 100% foreign enterprise.
Anyway you go....get good advice. PM me if you need some info, my lawyers are pretty good |
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isabel

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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I just got my police check done through an agent in Washington D.C.. Fingerprints weren't required. We sent a letter requesting the agent to do the job, and had the letter of request notarized in the U.S. Embassy in the country where I live.
It seems to be quite doable, but not real cheap. |
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Charvo
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 37
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:54 am Post subject: |
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isabel wrote: |
I just got my police check done through an agent in Washington D.C.. Fingerprints weren't required. We sent a letter requesting the agent to do the job, and had the letter of request notarized in the U.S. Embassy in the country where I live.
It seems to be quite doable, but not real cheap. |
Would you please disclose what agent did this for you? Can this agent be contacted in Vietnam? |
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Charvo
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:00 am Post subject: |
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londo wrote: |
Are we talking SE, bond, wholly-owned foreign companies, JV or part-ownership of VN Ltd companies?
As for Stocks, you need to do it through a registered investment vehicle i.e an investment fund, Dragon comes to mind as do some others, no licence needed. Bonds idem. Individual investment in stocks is strongly ill-advised at the moment IMO, but if you want to, go to a bank and speak to the investment manager (Sacom have proved good - also for gold by the way) and though we invest through the company, looking at the forms see no requirements for criminal checks but of course funds must be verifiable i.e from clear and legal sources.
Company start-ups require a biz-plan and proof of funds, not necessarily in VN, of at least $40k, though this depends on the DPI office and sector (retail is becoming increasingly difficult, capital wise).
A classic 70/30 VN/foreign company is possible but are no longer considered VN entities but FD investments and require a long-winded DPI procedure and high capital requirements which block many SMEs.
Buying active participation in wholly owned VN Ltd companies is blocked at the moment, there have been some recent decrees which have (as usual) muddied the waters and everythings stopped. The only way to this is to liquidate existing VN company and open a new JV which has to processed by Hanoi DPI with same Charter capital requirements as a 100% foreign enterprise.
Anyway you go....get good advice. PM me if you need some info, my lawyers are pretty good |
I'm a small investor. I'm looking at dollar-cost averaging into stocks soon. I think there will be a good opportunity to buy low. I'll check with Sacombank. I checked with various brokers on the internet. They all say that I need a criminal background check in order to get a trading code. Even if I got a fund manager to invest for me, I would still need the criminal background check. |
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isabel

Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 510 Location: God's green earth
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Charvo wrote: |
isabel wrote: |
I just got my police check done through an agent in Washington D.C.. Fingerprints weren't required. We sent a letter requesting the agent to do the job, and had the letter of request notarized in the U.S. Embassy in the country where I live.
It seems to be quite doable, but not real cheap. |
Would you please disclose what agent did this for you? Can this agent be contacted in Vietnam? |
The agent's name is Carlos Villamizar.
http://rocadc.com/
So far he has been quite professional. It has taken a huge amount of stress out of the process. |
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H5N1

Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 80
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: Re: fingerprint/power of attorney for criminal background ch |
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Charvo wrote: |
I am not sure about the rule concerning the criminal background check. Do I actually need one from the USA or just the local Vietnamese criminal background check because I've lived here for over 6 months? |
For the work permit, if you've lived in Vietnam for 6 months of more you can get a local VN police check, instead of one from your home country.
For an American check, you can go to the FBI website, download the form for criminal background check, get fingerprints (somewhere) and mail it to Quantico, VA for $18 USD.
The FBI will mail you the CRC back to you via snail mail. That's the tricky part.
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Anyone here tried buying Vietnamese stocks? Do I actually need a criminal background check? |
I don't know.
With the lack of transparency in these companies and speculative gamble mentality are you sure you want to invest in the VN stock market? |
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londo
Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Posts: 107 Location: District 7
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Charvo, sorry , we're a VN company, for a foreign investor in Vietnam:
Custodian account: HSBC or a couple of others (ANZ?) in USD (transferred and declared)
Trading code:
Birth Cert., Passport, criminal background check, all translated and notarized by consulate.
Anti-laundering certificate
Capital invested must remain in VN for 1 year and any dividends can only be repatriated after also 1 year.
Some VN securities/custodian accounts say they need $100k minimum for foriegn investors, but pretty sure this is not the case.
Surely overseas on-line trading would be easier? |
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Charvo
Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 37
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: Re: fingerprint/power of attorney for criminal background ch |
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H5N1 wrote: |
Charvo wrote: |
I am not sure about the rule concerning the criminal background check. Do I actually need one from the USA or just the local Vietnamese criminal background check because I've lived here for over 6 months? |
For the work permit, if you've lived in Vietnam for 6 months of more you can get a local VN police check, instead of one from your home country.
For an American check, you can go to the FBI website, download the form for criminal background check, get fingerprints (somewhere) and mail it to Quantico, VA for $18 USD.
The FBI will mail you the CRC back to you via snail mail. That's the tricky part.
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Anyone here tried buying Vietnamese stocks? Do I actually need a criminal background check? |
I don't know.
With the lack of transparency in these companies and speculative gamble mentality are you sure you want to invest in the VN stock market? |
Thanks for the FBI information. That seems to be an inexpensive way. I would assume I can get fingerprints done at one of the HCM police stations.
Buying stocks would be part of an asset allocation strategy. It will be risky, but I will purchase one of the publicly-traded closed end funds available. These funds provide diversification.
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isabel

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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The FBI route sounds good. The agent was hassle free and no fingerprints, and he is also taking care of the clearance of my degrees, but he is more expensive.
The return by snail mail is troubling. Maybe you should have it sent to a family member or friend in the States and have them Fedex it to you. |
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Charvo
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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isabel wrote: |
The FBI route sounds good. The agent was hassle free and no fingerprints, and he is also taking care of the clearance of my degrees, but he is more expensive.
The return by snail mail is troubling. Maybe you should have it sent to a family member or friend in the States and have them Fedex it to you. |
I have my original diploma with me right now. I haven't went through the procedure of getting it notarized in the states. How much did the whole procedure for the diploma cost you with this agent? |
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isabel

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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Charvo wrote: |
isabel wrote: |
The FBI route sounds good. The agent was hassle free and no fingerprints, and he is also taking care of the clearance of my degrees, but he is more expensive.
The return by snail mail is troubling. Maybe you should have it sent to a family member or friend in the States and have them Fedex it to you. |
I have my original diploma with me right now. I haven't went through the procedure of getting it notarized in the states. How much did the whole procedure for the diploma cost you with this agent? |
Having just gone through the procedure myself, I can tell you that it costs $220 for each document. I have two documents that needed to be done. |
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Charvo
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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isabel wrote: |
Charvo wrote: |
isabel wrote: |
The FBI route sounds good. The agent was hassle free and no fingerprints, and he is also taking care of the clearance of my degrees, but he is more expensive.
The return by snail mail is troubling. Maybe you should have it sent to a family member or friend in the States and have them Fedex it to you. |
I have my original diploma with me right now. I haven't went through the procedure of getting it notarized in the states. How much did the whole procedure for the diploma cost you with this agent? |
Having just gone through the procedure myself, I can tell you that it costs $220 for each document. I have two documents that needed to be done. |
Thanks, Isabel. $220 sounds quite reasonable. Did you send him the diploma at the beginning of the process? I have mine right now. Does this $220 include the shipping fee back to Vietnam? |
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