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willwillwillwilll
Joined: 06 Jul 2009 Posts: 1 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: How much better is it to get an MA vs a teaching certificate |
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Just looking at grad school and wondering about the difference in terms of pay between getting a masters in linguistics and education vs a teaching certification from the United States. I am in Indonesia now, and am pretty sure both wouldn't mean that much of a pay raise where I am (many of the teachers there don't have BA's) but how much of a difference would I see in terms of higher level jobs in other countries with those credentials?
I know this is a broad topic with lots of differnt sorts of factors, anything you guys can think to tell me would be really appreciated.
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think it depends quite a lot on the kinds of schools you want to work in. Universities normally want the MA (at least in the part of the world where I am) while international schools typically prefer certified teachers. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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If you plan on going back to the States in the future a teaching qualification will get you a job more easily than an MA in TEFL |
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scintillatestar
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 74 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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As a previous poster stated, most universities ask for an MA and most international and public schools require a teaching certificate. An MA is typically also a requirement for DOS and teacher trainer jobs. Most positions requiring the cert are with younger learners, while the MA is a req for working with adults. Which age group are you targeting?
Right now, it's probably easier to get a high-paying job at an international or public (K-12) school. There are many international schools, as well as government-sponsored programs (Hong Kong, Abu Dhabi) that recruit English teachers for well-paid public school positions. The trend is to teach English sooner rather than later. Plus, many foreign students wish to study at universities in English-speaking countries, and need prep for the IELTS, TOEFL, SAT, etc.
I don't see as many university positions advertised, except for the Middle East. Maybe ESLCafe is not the right site for this, though.
I'm actually getting an MA with teacher's certification. I would recommend a program like this if you can find one. |
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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 409 Location: Chongqing, China
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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scintillatestar wrote: |
I'm actually getting an MA with teacher's certification. I would recommend a program like this if you can find one. |
Will this be a MATESOL, or something along the lines of a MAT? |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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And if you ever decided to return to the States and work in New York State public schools, you'd need both a state teaching certificate and, within a short time after getting hired, a master's degree. |
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scintillatestar
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 74 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: |
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natsume wrote: |
scintillatestar wrote: |
I'm actually getting an MA with teacher's certification. I would recommend a program like this if you can find one. |
Will this be a MATESOL, or something along the lines of a MAT? |
MA in TESOL |
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scintillatestar
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 74 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Chancellor wrote: |
And if you ever decided to return to the States and work in New York State public schools, you'd need both a state teaching certificate and, within a short time after getting hired, a master's degree. |
Yes, Chancellor makes an excellent point - after a few years of teaching, a masters is required in NY public schools and public schools in a few other states. Basically if you can get a MA and certification, you will leave all options open. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Oftentimes an MA can be done by distance, but MOST teacher cert courses have to be done on campus, something to consider. |
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markcmc
Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 262 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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A state recognized teaching certificate will give you more flexibility to work in more parts of the world, including your own country should you wish to. Only go for the straight masters if you only want to work in universities.
The mixed masters + certificate may also be a good way to go. |
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gratefulgal
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Posts: 9 Location: The land of green
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
I went back to university four years ago after teaching in China and Thailand for nearly a year (folks on Dave's pretty much convinced me it was my only option if I was serious about teaching legally). So I am happy to say I just completed my last exam on Friday, and barring any horrific surprises, I now have my BA (Theology and Philosophy)
So, my question is along the lines of many others: what to do now?
This MA TESOL that includes a teaching qualification is definitely what I would love to do. I am in the EU currently, but I also have Canadian citizenship. Could you recommend some specific places? I am having a hell of a time wading through all the various MA possibilities......
Much appreciated,
M.
(I am an oldie, I will be 40 this summer) |
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avasconcellos
Joined: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am just completing my MA in Eng/TESL from St. Cloud State University. It was done completely online. The curriculum was rigorous but I missed the grad assistant and classroom interaction.
The rule of thumb is that MAs make 33% higher earnings than BA and Ph.D makes 33% higher earnings than MAs. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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gratefulgal wrote: |
So, my question is along the lines of many others: what to do now?
This MA TESOL that includes a teaching qualification is definitely what I would love to do. |
What countries interest you?
Are you willing to wait it out a couple of years to get the MA, or do you want to start teaching tomorrow? |
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evolving81
Joined: 04 May 2009 Posts: 135 Location: Tampa
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Even with an MA in TESOL I keep getting asked if I have a certificate. Anyone else experience this? |
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michgreen
Joined: 16 Apr 2010 Posts: 27
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of jobs are you applying for and what type of certificate are they asking about. Your MATESOL should have included a practicum/ observation component or some type of internship/ observation.
If you have an MATESOL and no teaching experience, they will assume that your degree was more theoretical than practical and that is probably why they are asking about the certificate. If you have proof of teaching experience then you don't (shouldn't) need to get the certificate. |
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