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quizas108



Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: HCT or CNAQ? Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I've been reading all the amazing information in these forums for some time contemplating a move to the Gulf in the near future. If anyone has any suggestions or advice, I'd really appreciate it.

Me: MA applied linguistics from top Canadian university, BEd from a Canadian university. More than 10 years TESL teaching experience including the last two at top Canadian universities. Overseas experience in Asia. Debt that I want to pay off. I am female, mid-career, very career focused.

Question: If the offers come through...HCT or CNAQ?

I know it's all subjective but if anyone has experience with both places or feels they have an idea, I'd love to hear.

Thank you to everyone who has provided so much useful information. It's priceless.
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MrScaramanga



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HCT would be in the UAE, by all accounts a more interesting place than Qatar. However, with them, you never know where you'll end up. Could be Dubai, Abu Dhabi, or Ruwais or Madinat Zayed, in other words in the middle of nowhere... The HCT management is also, shall we say, rather heavy-handed Rolling Eyes

At least at CNA-Q, you know where you'll be! Qatar is not exactly exciting, I'm sure you've heard, and I don't know what the CNA-Q management situation is nowadays... Perhaps others can jump in and inform on this?

Good luck!
MrS
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quizas108



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks MrScaramanga!

Not too many bites here. I'm going to have to make the decision soon but I'm leaning toward CNA-Q...from the sounds of it, they have cleaned their act up in since that rather ridiculous article was posted years ago.

I just wish those who work there now, or have knowledge of both places would be a little more vocal...maybe I'll try posting in the qatar forum.

Thanks again!
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but I hear many HCT folk are keeping thier powder dry...

NCTBA
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aash



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have experience to teach in CNQ,but even though i would like to suggest CNQ. the main reason is you are "Canadian". CNQ only hired canadian as well you can get tax benefits of Canada( there is no tax in Qatar).
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bje



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aash wrote:
I don't have experience to teach in CNQ,but even though i would like to suggest CNQ. the main reason is you are "Canadian". CNQ only hired canadian as well you can get tax benefits of Canada( there is no tax in Qatar).

Not a good reason, in my opinion. Why go overseas to work at all- aside from the $ factor of course. As an Australian, personally I would be less than thrilled at the prospect of working with only fellow-Australians in the Gulf region.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually there may be a tax disadvantage for Canadians at CNAQ. There has been discussion on the Qatar board of teachers having tax deducted from their salaries when by Canadian rules they would be exempt overseas. I don't know the Canadian tax rules and it sounded like neither did CNAQ or its teachers. Laughing

Another disadvantage of choosing CNAQ right now is that the rumors are getting stronger and stronger that it is on its way out. Expectations are that the opening of the new American Community College will be the final straw in its demise.

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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked with lots of Canadians in the past and work with one now. They all say the same thing, that the Canuck government will do anything to get its hands on your money. If you have ANY type of tie to the homeland, such as a credit card debt or a bank account...let alone a house, or even a car!--they will take that as evidence you are NOT living overseas indefinitely, and they will want to apply their harsh income tax on you.

Yes, even stuff in storage back home gives them an excuse! That's what I'm told anyway. Canucks tend to sell everything they have before taking an overseas job if they want to avoid income tax.
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheikh N Bake wrote:
I've worked with lots of Canadians in the past and work with one now. They all say the same thing, that the Canuck government will do anything to get its hands on your money. If you have ANY type of tie to the homeland, such as a credit card debt or a bank account...let alone a house, or even a car!--they will take that as evidence you are NOT living overseas indefinitely, and they will want to apply their harsh income tax on you.

Yes, even stuff in storage back home gives them an excuse! That's what I'm told anyway. Canucks tend to sell everything they have before taking an overseas job if they want to avoid income tax.


This is just hearsay ...the fact is as a non-resident Canadian you are only taxed on money that you earn 'in Canada', and you do not spend more than 90? consecutive days or something like that in Canada while abroad. Most people only have a maximum of 60 summer days vacation so not a problem.

Of course, if you own a house, you will have to file income tax, same goes for renting property. Yes if you have a car and someone else is using it under your name while out of the country...well that will appear suspicous and could be brought into question, but if put in storage ...what's the problem?

The money you earn outside Canada does not have to be filed. I have been a non-resident Canadian for over 9 years and have had stuff in storage, used a credit card. This is not a crime. It is okay...I asked my accountant, if I needed to file income tax while abroad, and he stated that it was not necessary unless you are making money from sources in Canada while abroad. End of story. Of course if you don't believe me there are Canadian gov't web sites that state the facts for non -residents and their rights. Rolling Eyes Having said that, CNAQ is a Canadian College so is another kettle of fish, which probably would be taxable income or at least some of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That agrees more with what I had heard cmp45. The law is very similar to the US law except that we have to file even if we have no US income. I don't believe that CNAQ income is any more taxable than if you are at QU... and I think it was the university that didn't understand it at first.

It would be nice if a current teacher would chime in and let us know, but most people are likely on the road right now.

VS
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://blog.taxresource.ca/who-is-required-to-pay-canadian-income-taxes/

Who Is Required to Pay Canadian Income Taxes?

One of the most common questions I am asked is �do I have to pay Canadian Income Taxes?� The answer is always the same. If you are a resident of Canada then you must declare and pay tax on your worldwide income. If you are not a resident of Canada, then you only pay tax on Canadian source income.

Residency for Canadian Tax Purposes
There are a number of factors that must be considered to determine if you are a resident of Canada for tax purposes. Typically anyone visiting (�sojourns�) Canada for 183 days or more may deemed to be a resident of Canada for tax purposes and is subject to Canadian income tax on their worldwide income for the entire year.

see link above for full story...
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheikh N Bake wrote:
I've worked with lots of Canadians in the past and work with one now. They all say the same thing, that the Canuck government will do anything to get its hands on your money. If you have ANY type of tie to the homeland, such as a credit card debt or a bank account...let alone a house, or even a car!--they will take that as evidence you are NOT living overseas indefinitely, and they will want to apply their harsh income tax on you.

Yes, even stuff in storage back home gives them an excuse! That's what I'm told anyway. Canucks tend to sell everything they have before taking an overseas job if they want to avoid income tax.

What? Sheikh Nano giving advice on Canadian taxes!! Laughing

What are you doing Sheikh Nano? Giving advice about Canadian taxes? You should be ashamed of yourself, smoking Havana cigar and spouting false �smoked� propaganda when somebody asks for practical information. Laughing

What's the point of wasting your time posting things you don't know anything about? Come on, admit it--you are a paid political propagandist. That's been obvious for years. Either that or there's something really wrong with you and your cigar, in which case I suppose we should be kind and gentle to you.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=81485

Now, we are equal! Laughing
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kitty-cat! Stop it! The sheikh and I share a common border with our northern neighbours! You are simply a troll who sticks yer snout into any conversation that you can get a rise in.

WILL SOMEONE...PLEASE...PLEASE...PLEASE START A MATHEMATICS SITE SO THIS FURIOUS FELINE CAN GO ELSEWHERE!!!

NCTBA
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eslgypsy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Canadians paying taxes Reply with quote

I am a newly-hired, soon-to-be-Gulf-resident and current Canadian tax-paying citizen. My accountant told me to sell everything. Why take chances? Anyone want to buy a townhouse? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might suggest that you need a new accountant... sounds like s/he doesn't want to deal with knowing exactly what to do. Laughing

But, selling the property is probably good advice anyway since renting without a good real estate company can be a hassle. (unless, of course, this is a super great piece of property where you want to retire or something... then I might do a bit of research)

VS
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