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mat chen
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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 Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: ESl market saturated |
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| I am in a small city in Central CHina where I worked three years ago. The teacher who has replaced me is making 1,000 rmb a month less. Since I was there last there are 53 more cram schools or bushibons established. All are losing money. Now when you look at the postings of thousands of jobs offered in in China and you figure these jobs cost employers at least 3,000 for the recruiters fees. The unregulated business is doing badly. Becareful because there are no rules here about paying you anything. And when they say"I have a friend." Remember you don't have a friend in China who will fight for your rights. You will take the blaim for the failed business |
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Silent Shadow
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Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Mat, my advice to you or anybody else who has been bitten by a bad private school, is to work in a public school. They're generally a lot more trustworthy. |
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LeopoldBloom
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| I do not agree with that advice. Public schools in China are as untrustworthy as private ones. In matter of fact, all public schools are essentially 'privately' funded in some way anyway. Or if it is genuinely public and paid through the government, the salary would be really low. And keep in mind, public or private school in China, you have no rights if the owner, principal, or whomever screws you out of pay. None whatsoever. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: ESl market saturated |
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| mat chen wrote: |
| I am in a small city in Central CHina where I worked three years ago. The teacher who has replaced me is making 1,000 rmb a month less. Since I was there last there are 53 more cram schools or bushibons established. All are losing money. Now when you look at the postings of thousands of jobs offered in in China and you figure these jobs cost employers at least 3,000 for the recruiters fees. The unregulated business is doing badly. Becareful because there are no rules here about paying you anything. And when they say"I have a friend." Remember you don't have a friend in China who will fight for your rights. You will take the blaim for the failed business |
The latest big $$ maker is to get students from China to study here in a "immersion environment" with a student visa to the USA. Many will work illegally and sometimes simply fail to return back to China after their visa expires (Waiting for Obama to grant Amnesty)
These scams are running at high profit margins here in the Chinese areas of LA.
Why pay big $ to study English there, when you can pay the same $ and study abroad with a chance of a Nail Spa or restaurant job and never need to return?
All of these operations are being operated by the new Chinese rich that fled China in the last few years to avoid corruption charges.
Immersion English training schools in the USA are the latest trend.
PS They don't hire teachers either. |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| LeopoldBloom wrote: |
| I do not agree with that advice. Public schools in China are as untrustworthy as private ones. In matter of fact, all public schools are essentially 'privately' funded in some way anyway. Or if it is genuinely public and paid through the government, the salary would be really low. And keep in mind, public or private school in China, you have no rights if the owner, principal, or whomever screws you out of pay. None whatsoever. |
In turn, I must disagree with you, Leopold. Although, some public schools are just as untrustworthy as private schools, my experience suggests to me that they are by no means generally as untrustworthy as private schools.
I have worked for six public schools in China, and have not had a problem at any of them as regards their fulfilling of their contractual obligations. Before I accept a position with a school, I interview them very rigorously. What helps is my applying for several positions at once. I will ask many questions and will not stop until I have clear, specific answers to all of them. I will not consider the school, until I have personally spoken many times to the representatives in the schools FAO department. Speaking to a middleman does not cut it for me.
I will make an attempt to google the schools that I'm particularly interested in and ask for FT emails. I don't sign until I'm as certain as I can be, that they can be trusted to honour the contract. Furthermore, I will not sign until I am totally satisfied with the contract and that all the important promises are clearly in writing. In other words, I do all I can to avoid potential problems with employers before I start working for them. Now, I'm not claiming that all of the above will guarantee that I won't be cheated, but it certainly goes a long way to reducing the chances of that happening. In my case that procedure has proved successful every time.
I must admit that, although I have generally sought public school positions over the years, I have also applied for private positions, being tempted by the seemingly higher salaries of such schools. I have, found, though, that when these salaries are worked out according to how many hours you work a month, the public school salary is almost always higher. Also, I have generally found that during the application process, almost all of the schools that didn't give clear answers, and that sounded dodgy and evasive, were private schools.
Public schools, being government schools, are also much more accountable to the government than the average private school, that can easily close, disappear and then resurface in another part of China with a new name. Government schools can not generally, if at all, do that.
Based on the above and the countless horror stories that I've read on public forums like this I'm convinced that as long as an FT approaches schools with eyes wide open, he has a much greater chance of success with a public school than he does with a private one. |
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