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Teaching with little ability speaking Mandarin?

 
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fangxin



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:30 pm    Post subject: Teaching with little ability speaking Mandarin? Reply with quote

I am wondering if its difficult to be teaching without knowing much Mandarin? Is there any ages of students I should be aiming for with the very little Mandarin I know?
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mdovell



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't mostly because the objective is to teach english. I'm not saying that knowing the language is bad but once students realise you know it then it might defeat the purposes of the class.
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Laurence



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally TEFL instructors will explain new language using other words which students already know, or through context and visual aids.

It's perfectly possible to do your job without ever resorting to translations of vocabulary or giving instructions in Mandarin. Many people do so - in fact some people argue that it's bad practice to use the students' first language.

Personally, I have found that using mandarin can save time in certain situations - for example, you can spend 10 minutes explaining what an 'adventure' is, and another 5 or 10 checking if everyone has got it. Anticipating awkward vocab and giving a translation is quicker.

Then again,
creative deviation and tangent spinning can be fun, and you can save your lesson plan for the next session ~


A while back,
when I was still an active mandarin learner,
a precocious class of cusp-adolescents were keen to test the limits of my Chinese language. Of course I wanted to understand them when their language got too complicated
and I became a donkey,
clumsily and plodding in pursuit of a carrot dangled in front of me on a rod by my rider -

not a good idea at all !
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: Teaching with little ability speaking Mandarin? Reply with quote

fangxin wrote:
I am wondering if its difficult to be teaching without knowing much Mandarin? Is there any ages of students I should be aiming for with the very little Mandarin I know?


Might want to brush up on the English before diving into a new one.
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vikeologist



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But sometimes it's nice to make grammatical mistakes in your posts because it clearly brightens up the day for some people.
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randyj



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
It's perfectly possible to do your job without ever resorting to translations of vocabulary or giving instructions in Mandarin. Many people do so - in fact some people argue that it's bad practice to use the students' first language.

As I recall, the experts are pretty unanimous about not using the primary language of the students in the classroom ever.
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hot_water_hillbilly



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who thinks you must be able to use a little Chinese to teach properly is ridiculous.

I've taught (albeit temporarily) near-infant aged children and such.

Almost anyone can be taught the language with having ZERO basis or need of translation. The real issue is how hard do you want to work ... and we all know that answer to THAT question. "you" here is defined as anyone, not a specific user.

Sure, older students can benefit from an instant translation of a term or concept, but that's a different issue. If you have the need to constantly use Chinese in your classroom, then you're the wrong person to be teaching that subject or class.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the way English has been taught in China (in rural areas) is that students are being taught by rote. Memorization rather than conceptual learning. The temptation is too great for Chinese English teachers to say "this means this" in L1 and the students are making English noises rather than understanding what they are saying. Often the pronunciation is so skewed that they are barely understandable. I've made it a point NOT to learn Chinese so the students HAVE to make themselves understood to talk to me. Hence, speaking exercises; syntax, verb tense, pronunciation.
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Voldermort



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
The problem with the way English has been taught in China (in rural areas) is that students are being taught by rote. Memorization rather than conceptual learning. The temptation is too great for Chinese English teachers to say "this means this" in L1 and the students are making English noises rather than understanding what they are saying. Often the pronunciation is so skewed that they are barely understandable. I've made it a point NOT to learn Chinese so the students HAVE to make themselves understood to talk to me. Hence, speaking exercises; syntax, verb tense, pronunciation.


I have to agree. The biggest joke here is that most of the students are more comprehendable than their teachers.

On a tangent though. I do speak Chinese, also read and write. In a large classroom setting I would keep this fact to myself for as long as possible but eventually they cotton on. When this happens I simply inform them that we have done well up until now, why change the system?

In a smaller class of 3 or 4, however, in which I teach 10 -14 year old beginners, I do use the language. It helps me and it helps them. But, from the begininng I set a goal post with them. When they reach a certain level I stop. By now they understand 80% of what I commune and the other 20% they ask. I must point out that a quick translation of a word is far less hassle than spending 10 minutes trying to explain it.

As an example, I have a 10 year old, who came to me 4 months ago, within a completely english environment she has grassped the whole past present future tense and past participles. Now when we come across a verb her first question is "teacher, what is the past participle?". I used Chinese with her for the first 3 months then overnight switched to English. She knew it was coming and prepared herself well.

Another example, with a 14 year old boy, who I have been teaching for a year, scored a band 6.5 in the IELTS pre-examinition just a few weeks ago. This student I have taught using only English from the get-go as his English level was already above average for his age.
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