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DWRowe



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: Paperwork required to prove international driver's license. Reply with quote

I am in Thailand now and I would like to apply for jobs in Japan that require an international driver's license. I have a copy of my valid California driver's license and a valid, proper international driver's license issued by the AAA in America.

The problem is I only have a copy of my California license, the original plastic card was accidentally stored away in a place no one can get to back in the States. Will the powers that be accept only a copy of the California license along with the full original AAA issued IDL?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing you need to "prove" you have an IDL is the IDL itself. What is your employer asking for?

Bear in mind that it is only good for 12 months after you arrive, so you will need to make other arrangements after that time if you intend to drive in Japan. That means getting a Japanese license.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
The only thing you need to "prove" you have an IDL is the IDL itself. What is your employer asking for?

Bear in mind that it is only good for 12 months after you arrive, so you will need to make other arrangements after that time if you intend to drive in Japan. That means getting a Japanese license.


Nope. Very Happy

The International Driving *Permit* is only an official translation of the home country license. It (the IDP) is no good without the original license to accompany it. The OP needs originals of both to be able to drive in Japan. Legally, at least.
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DWRowe



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
What is your employer asking for?
That is the heart of my question. I am apply for jobs now, what will an employer ask for?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like according to Chthulhu you should get your original license to accompany you. I just got mine for a trip to the USA, and the officer kindly suggested (nor ordered) me to take my Japanese license with me. (I no longer have my U.S. license.)

Not sure if you need both to be able to have a parking space, but if you have a car in Japan, you need t prove you have a space! You will probably need your license to rent a car here.

What employers want in general will vary considerably. If they want you to have the IDP, then apparently you will have to get your original license shipped to you as well. Beyond that, an employer could ask for resume, a couple of photos (for immigration purposes) and ultimately a copy of your passport contact/picture page (also for immigration, but not needed beforehand). Should an employer also want a video of you demonstrating something, that's case by case.

A little more about the IDP:
http://www.aaa.com/vacation/idpfaqc.html?association=undefined&clb_id=undefined&secure=N
http://www.japandriverslicense.com/faq.asp (Q1-5)
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DWRowe



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Looks like according to Chthulhu you should get your original license to accompany you. I just got mine for a trip to the USA, and the officer kindly suggested (nor ordered) me to take my Japanese license with me. (I no longer have my U.S. license.)

Not sure if you need both to be able to have a parking space, but if you have a car in Japan, you need t prove you have a space! You will probably need your license to rent a car here.

What employers want in general will vary considerably. If they want you to have the IDP, then apparently you will have to get your original license shipped to you as well. Beyond that, an employer could ask for resume, a couple of photos (for immigration purposes) and ultimately a copy of your passport contact/picture page (also for immigration, but not needed beforehand). Should an employer also want a video of you demonstrating something, that's case by case.

A little more about the IDP:
http://www.aaa.com/vacation/idpfaqc.html?association=undefined&clb_id=undefined&secure=N
http://www.japandriverslicense.com/faq.asp (Q1-5)
I am not looking for an academic discussion about IDP, I am asking a simple, straight forward question. Have YOU ever applied for a job that required a IDP? What did YOU have to show?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I have not applied for any job that required it, but is it that difficult to grasp that employers will probably want to see the IDP and probably a copy of your regular license?

Other stuff I offered was for anyone's benefit. Read it or not as you please. I don't consider that an academic discussion, just information free for the taking.

Life in Japan is really a lot of case by case situations.
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DWRowe



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it is not difficult to grasp, why get snotty? I think a reasonable person could see I had a grasp that it possibility could be acceptable or I would not have made the original post in the first place.

I can not think of any point in the process where someone will absolutely NEED the original. I am looking for confirmation from someone who has actually been through the process to tell me if I am wrong. Is that difficult to grasp?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DWRowe wrote:
No, it is not difficult to grasp, why get snotty? I think a reasonable person could see I had a grasp that it possibility could be acceptable or I would not have made the original post in the first place.

I can not think of any point in the process where someone will absolutely NEED the original. I am looking for confirmation from someone who has actually been through the process to tell me if I am wrong. Is that difficult to grasp?


He wasn't getting snotty. He was trying to be helpful. Relax. If you're that wound up over something as trivial as this then you won't survive Japan.

Look, we've told you what the rules are. You can't drive with just the IDP. It's illegal. It's not a license, it's an official translation. That's all. As for why what we are both saying *is* relevant, the reason it's relevant is because the first time you are asked to produce your license you, by your own account, can't. A copy isn't a license. An IDP isn't a license. EOFS.

It doesn't matter what any individual employer says they want: the first time you have an accident and all you have is an IDP then you are driving illegally (ie. without a valid license) and *that* means instant insurance revocation, and *that* means you will be 100% at fault. You do *not* want that in Japan. Chances of it happening? Low, probably. But still, why take the chance: get the real license.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
DWRowe wrote:
No, it is not difficult to grasp, why get snotty? I think a reasonable person could see I had a grasp that it possibility could be acceptable or I would not have made the original post in the first place.

I can not think of any point in the process where someone will absolutely NEED the original. I am looking for confirmation from someone who has actually been through the process to tell me if I am wrong. Is that difficult to grasp?


He wasn't getting snotty. He was trying to be helpful. Relax. If you're that wound up over something as trivial as this then you won't survive Japan.

Look, we've told you what the rules are. You can't drive with just the IDP. It's illegal. It's not a license, it's an official translation. That's all. As for why what we are both saying *is* relevant, the reason it's relevant is because the first time you are asked to produce your license you, by your own account, can't. A copy isn't a license. An IDP isn't a license. EOFS.

It doesn't matter what any individual employer says they want: the first time you have an accident and all you have is an IDP then you are driving illegally (ie. without a valid license) and *that* means instant insurance revocation, and *that* means you will be 100% at fault. You do *not* want that in Japan. Chances of it happening? Low, probably. But still, why take the chance: get the real license.
I think the phrase �is it difficult to grasp� is snotty on the face of it and unnecessary but thank you peanut gallery. I have a valid license and I have a copy of it front and back with all of the verifiable information contained to accompany the IDP. I have lived and worked in Japan in the past and can come up with my own general speculation.

Have YOU ever applied for a job that required a IDP? What did YOU have to show?
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beware of trolls. both of you. You've offered great advice to someone who wanted an answer different from the ones you've provided.

We see it a lot on the saudi board...

NCTBA
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Beware of trolls. both of you. You've offered great advice to someone who wanted an answer different from the ones you've provided.

We see it a lot on the saudi board...

NCTBA


Hmmm. And here was me thinking the OP was just being willfully thick. Either way, he's got the facts and can hang himself at his own leisure.
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DWRowe



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, mine was a simple question and was asking for clarification if the answers are theory or actual experience. Looks like that is enough to bring out attitude from some who seem to be posting just out of the thrill to read their own writing.

Forget the whole thing, I am not looking to join a circle jerk that seems to be going on here, I will work it out myself.
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Okonomiyaki



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Do you really WANT a driving job, anyway? Reply with quote

If I were you (and I am, in a sense: applying for the same jobs you are, and living in Thailand), I would steer clear of any jobs that ask you to have a driver's license. Here's why:

A typical English teacher's job in Japan has a 250,000 yen per month salary. That doesn't vary much, but the number of hours you work DOES vary considerably. Some schools will require you to teach "25 classroom hours per week", and that's all-- the rest of your time is your own. Yay! Those're gems. Some schools require 35 or even 40 classroom hours, lowering your per-hour income significantly. Bear with me, now... many schools will fake you out by telling you about "25 classroom hours per week", but they will also tack on mandatory office hours, raising your work time up to 35, 40, or even 48 hours stuck in their office. Now here's the nastiest part: many schools will scatter your classroom hours throughout the day, AND throughout the city/countryside, BUT they won't consider the commuting time part of your "work time". So somehow, in their imaginations, those employers imagine that you're on your "free time, not working" when you're schlepping 30 minutes each way to a corporate on-site lesson or a high school that only wants you for an hour a week. Hell, they may not even pay for your gas, car insurance, or busfare. Those employers will gladly pretend your commuting time is none of their concern.

So... if an employer says "driver's license necessary", I'm running away-- and I suggest you do the same. Concentrate on employers that give you just ONE location and preferably line up those classroom hours in continuous blocks. If you don't, your rate-per-hour can sink lower than what a burger-flipping minimum wage teenager makes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Paperwork required to prove international driver's licen Reply with quote

DWRowe wrote:
I am in Thailand now and I would like to apply for jobs in Japan that require an international driver's license. I have a copy of my valid California driver's license and a valid, proper international driver's license issued by the AAA in America.

The problem is I only have a copy of my California license, the original plastic card was accidentally stored away in a place no one can get to back in the States. Will the powers that be accept only a copy of the California license along with the full original AAA issued IDL?


No, you will not be able to drive in Japan until you can produce your CDL to go along with your IDL.

Some other points to consider:

1. Your Int DL usage will only be acceptable for your first year in Japan or until the expiration of the Int DL, whichever comes first.

After that you must obtain a Japanese driver's license to drive in Japan. Renewing an international driver's license will not allow you to drive in Japan at that point. Period.

2. Any jobs you'd unwisely apply for that require you to obtain an IDL are not expecting you to last past 1 year of service. Consider that very carefully because of the above restrictions. This means they have a high turn over in most cases because of it.

3. Typically a teaching gig requiring you to drive is going to be:

A. In the boondocks
B. Requiring you to travel to more than one school/branch to teach
C. Requiring you to have a split shift of morning and afternoon and or evening teaching (meaning your leave home to return home daily time is 12+ hours potentially.
D. Insurance coverage may be nil and if you get in an accident, you're in hot water.
E. Gas and upkeep on the vehicle may be required from your pay(where as in Japan typically train/bus fare is paid for by the employer)
F. All or a mix of the above.

In all, my suggestion to you is to ask what the deal is on the schedule and other details before you start worrying about your even remotely considering the position and having to get that CDL sent to you. Personally, I'd just skip jobs requiring that and look for other possibilities.
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