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nmalec



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: Late Job Reply with quote

Is it possible to get a good legitimate job in late fall? I'm thinking sometime in November and most likely in Asia. Has anyone ever done this? Did it work out? Thanks
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asia is big. Where exactly?

We don't know a thing about you, so it's impossible to say more than "yes, it's possible". Tell us your qualifications (so we can tell you if you are even eligible for a work visa, let alone job) and what type of teaching job you are thinking of pursuing.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Asia" is a pretty broad term. And so is 'a good legitimate job'.

What do you mean by "Asia"? You need to know at least the region before anybody can really help you. North East Asia (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China), South East Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos etc) South Asia (Middle East).

It isn't a good idea to look for jobs that will get you a working visa that start in November in Japan. Actually, it's an appallingly bad idea. Unless your goal is to be in the country to interview, and have enough funds to last you until the end of April (at the earliest) when you got your first pay (assuming you could stay in the country that long- most of the time you're on a three month tourist visa).

Most jobs (other than eikaiwa- an industry hurting badly right now) start April 1 (a few start in August). How early to apply depends on what type of job you're looking for. Universities and colleges put calls out for resumes really very early. Most dispatch companies have no idea of their requirements for the following year until December or January. Some schools have a habit of not telling people that they won't have a job (this means they don't even tell the ALTs dispatch company) until it's basically too late to even get another job, occasionally leading to odd situations in which they tell everybody whether they have a job or not right at the last second, only to find out that all of the people they wanted to continue went out and got a different job (they got sick of the constant stress) and all of the people they are getting rid of wanted to stay.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES! People back out at the last minute. That's how I got my job, and it's great. But as the posters above said, it depends on the country and your quals.
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nmalec



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kept my question broad because I'm open to going to almost anywhere in Asia. In fact I don't care where I go as long as the job is reliable. I'm going to apply late because I want to get my CELTA so I don't have to do any more shady jobs.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nmalec wrote:
I kept my question broad because I'm open to going to almost anywhere in Asia. In fact I don't care where I go as long as the job is reliable. I'm going to apply late because I want to get my CELTA so I don't have to do any more shady jobs.


a) just a CELTA.
b) CELTA + degree or
c) CELTA + degree + experience

The reason for the question is about the visa and legal work.

a) If you ONLY have a CELTA then your options for LEGAL work and a work permit are largely restricted. Japan is an option if you have 3 or more years of verifiable classroom experience (but the job market is tight). Most other countries in Asia require you to have a minimum of a bachelors degree for issuance of a visa.

b) IF you have an undergrad degree + your CELTA then you can work virtually anywhere (legally). Even without the CELTA you can find work but the basic teaching certification will help with your job search, may add to your benefit package and will help you when you are put into the classroom.

c) if you have your degree + your CELTA + verifiable classroom experience then you move to the middle of the range and there are some decent jobs available out there in almost any country in Asia.

As to your timing, November is bad for employment.
The school year is different in most countries but without exception, November is a very low hiring period.

As examples:
IF you are looking at Korea: Jan-Feb for March 2 starts.
IF you are looking at Japan then school starts in April.
IF you are looking at Thailand then school starts in May.
There are usually openings in most countries for starts at the beginning of the 2nd term each year (Sept, Oct).

The chances of finding something AFTER the beginning of the school term is not very good unless you are looking at a language institute and then the risk of a dodgy job are significantly increased.

You get the picture.

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I repeat:

Tell us your qualifications and what type of teaching job you are thinking of pursuing.
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denise



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are always last-minute openings available, pretty much anywhere in the world. Assuming you've got the right qualifications & can get a visa, you can get hired and be on a plane within a matter of days.

Some things to keep in mind:

Why are they hiring in the middle of the term, and if's it's a last-minute, urgent, "Can you be here tomorrow?" sort of job, why are they so desperate? See if you can talk to a current teacher, and see if you can find out what their turnover rate is. Sometimes teachers break contracts for reasons that have nothing to do with the school--family emergency, for example--but sometimes those openings are to replace teachers who've realized what a bad job it is.

If you do take a job with an immediate start, what will happen with your visa? Obviously there won't be time to get the proper paperwork done before you start. Will the school take care of everything and make sure that you're working legally (or mostly legally...) until things get sorted out?

But yes, it is possible.

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
There are always last-minute openings available, pretty much anywhere in the world. Assuming you've got the right qualifications & can get a visa, you can get hired and be on a plane within a matter of days.
Where would that be? Not in Japan.

Yes, there are those last-minute openings as you described (and warned about), but they are also pretty few and far between.
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denise



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
denise wrote:
There are always last-minute openings available, pretty much anywhere in the world. Assuming you've got the right qualifications & can get a visa, you can get hired and be on a plane within a matter of days.
Where would that be? Not in Japan.

Yes, there are those last-minute openings as you described (and warned about), but they are also pretty few and far between.


Since specific country information wasn't requested, I wasn't thinking about specific countries. Yes, the openings are limited, and if the time frame/start date is crucial, then you (OP) really can't be too picky about the destination.

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Mrs McClusky



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, there is always a job going any day anywhere in the world. Depends how low you want to go.
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Flashman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also due to start my CELTA shortly and would like to know the chances of getting hired in Korea/China or even Thailand.

I have a BA and will have my CELTA but no discernible teaching experience.

I too will be looking in November time but judging by the replies would I be better staying in my job until the new year? As I am required to give plenty of notice at my current employer (Firefighters don't drop from trees) will any likely job offers come in the "can you be here next week?" format.

I ask as ideally if i'm not saving out in asia I need to continue working here and save a little more money as I intended on doing a year in Oz starting the back end of in 2011.
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markcmc



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are persistent and not too fussy you will find work somewhere in Asia at any time.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flashman wrote:
I'm also due to start my CELTA shortly and would like to know the chances of getting hired in Korea/China or even Thailand.

I have a BA and will have my CELTA but no discernible teaching experience.

I too will be looking in November time but judging by the replies would I be better staying in my job until the new year? As I am required to give plenty of notice at my current employer (Firefighters don't drop from trees) will any likely job offers come in the "can you be here next week?" format.

I ask as ideally if i'm not saving out in asia I need to continue working here and save a little more money as I intended on doing a year in Oz starting the back end of in 2011.


Your BA guarantees you can find (legal) work in all 3 of your countries of choice.
BA + the CELTA (or other recognized TESOL cert) will make your application a bit more attractive (and in Korea will usually get you a small salary bump as well).

November is a bad time of year for looking for a new job in most (all?) of Asia.
By and large the school year starts in the spring (Korea=Mar., Japan = Apr., Thailand = May, as examples) with recruiting happening in Jan-April for the majority of decent jobs.

The exception to the rule would be the language institutes and they tend to hire year round but some of them can be dodgy so make darn sure you check with current/past teachers BEFORE you sign on the dotted line.

IF you are looking at Korea then you should register on the Korean Job forums (separate from this forum). IF you are younger then Korea would be your best bet for landing a job and banking some savings. You can save money in China or Thailand but it will be much harder to find a good paying job (US$1500+) with no experience.

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Flashman



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:

Your BA guarantees you can find (legal) work in all 3 of your countries of choice.
BA + the CELTA (or other recognized TESOL cert) will make your application a bit more attractive (and in Korea will usually get you a small salary bump as well).

November is a bad time of year for looking for a new job in most (all?) of Asia.
By and large the school year starts in the spring (Korea=Mar., Japan = Apr., Thailand = May, as examples) with recruiting happening in Jan-April for the majority of decent jobs.

The exception to the rule would be the language institutes and they tend to hire year round but some of them can be dodgy so make darn sure you check with current/past teachers BEFORE you sign on the dotted line.

IF you are looking at Korea then you should register on the Korean Job forums (separate from this forum). IF you are younger then Korea would be your best bet for landing a job and banking some savings. You can save money in China or Thailand but it will be much harder to find a good paying job (US$1500+) with no experience.

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Cheers for the info I'll give the Korea forum a whirl.

Additionally am I younger at 27? (just turned mind) Smile
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