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[johnslat]

First, do no harm:

:By SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer � 1 hr 31 mins ago
CAIRO � A Saudi judge has asked several hospitals in the country whether they could damage a man's spinal cord as punishment after he was convicted of attacking another man with a cleaver and paralyzing him, the brother of the victim said Thursday.
Abdul-Aziz al-Mutairi, 22, was left paralyzed and subsequently lost a foot after a fight more than two years ago. He asked a judge in northwestern Tabuk province to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law, his brother Khaled al-Mutairi told The Associated Press by telephone from there.
He said one of the hospitals, located in Tabuk, responded that it is possible to damage the spinal cord, but it added that the operation would have to be done at another more specialized facility. Saudi newspapers reported that a second hospital in the capital Riyadh declined, saying it could not inflict such harm.
Administrative offices of two of the hospitals and the court in Tabuk were closed for the Saudi weekend beginning Thursday and could not be reached for comment.
A copy of the medical report from the King Khaled Hospital in Tabuk province obtained by the AP said the same injury al-Mutairi suffers from can be inflicted on his attacker using a nerve stimulant, and inducing the same injuries in the same locations. The report was dated six months ago.
Saudi Arabia enforces strict Islamic law and occasionally doles out punishments based on the ancient legal code of an eye-for-an-eye. However, King Abdullah has been trying to clamp down on extremist ideology, including unauthorized clerics issuing odd religious decrees.
The query by the court, among the most unusual and extreme to have been made public in the kingdom, highlights the delicate attempt in Saudi Arabia to balance a push to modernize the country with interpretations of religious traditions that critics say are out of sync with a modern society.
The Saudi newspaper Okaz identified the judge as Saoud bin Suleiman al-Youssef.
The brother said the judge asked at least two hospitals for a medical opinion on whether surgeons could render the attacker's spinal cord nonfunctional. He and Saudi newspaper reports did not identify the attacker
Khaled al-Mutairi, 27, said the assailant was sentenced to 14 months in prison for the attack that paralyzed his younger brother, but he was released after seven months in an amnesty. He said the attacker then got a job as a school teacher .
"We are asking for our legal right under Islamic law," the brother said. "There is no better word than God's word � an eye for an eye."
A Saudi newspaper Okaz reported that a leading hospital in Riyadh � King Faisal Specialist Hospital � responded that it could not do the operation. It quoted a letter from the hospital saying "inflicting such harm is not possible," apparently refusing on ethical grounds.
Islamic law applied in Saudi Arabia allows defendants to ask for a similar punishment for harms inflicted on them. Cutting off the hands of thieves, for example, is common.
Under the law, the victim can receive a blood money to settle the case.
Khaled al-Mutairi said his family is not interested in blood money, and would be ready to send the attacker abroad to perform the operation if it were not possible in the kingdom.
Human rights group say trials in Saudi Arabia fall far below international standards. They usually take place behind closed doors and without adequate legal representation.
Those who are sentenced to death are often not informed of the progress of legal proceedings against them or of the date of execution until the morning on which they are taken out and beheaded.
Crucifying the headless body in a public place is a way to set an example, according to the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.
Amnesty International expressed concerns over the reports and said the rights group was contacting Saudi authorities for details.
"We are very concerned and we will appeal to the authorities not to carry out such a punishment," said Lamri Chirouf, the group's researcher on Saudi Arabia. Such measures are against international conventions against torture and international standards on human rights.
Chirouf said this was the first time Amnesty had heard of a punishment involving the damaging of a spinal cord.
"But it's hard to follow details of the Saudi justice system. People are sentenced in closed trials with no access to the public and no lawyers," he said.
According to Amnesty, in 2005, a convict in the kingdom had his teeth pulled out by a dentist because he had smashed another man's teeth out in a fight.
"We have also had cases of people sentenced to blindness because they have caused the blindness of another person," Chirouf said. "But never anything involving a spinal cord." "

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Perhaps the docs in Tabuk never took the Hippocratic Oath

Regards,
John

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

Words escape me...

NCTBA

[johnslat]

Dear NCTBA,

Justice in the Kingdom is apparently not only blind but also spineless.

Regards,

John

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

Yuk...erm...ah..yuk...

NCTBA

[johnslat]

Dear NCTBA,

Oh, come on. How many Saudi justice jokes have we made over the years? A small sampling:

"Of course, you know the punishment for theft," the judge said offhandedly.

"I was found guilty of robbery and assault," the prisoner said disarmingly.

and a long one:

"An American, an Englishman and a Frenchman are in Saudi Arabia, sharing a smuggled crate of booze when Saudi police rush in and arrest them.

By a stroke of luck, it was a Saudi national holiday the day their trial finished, and the extremely benevolent Sheik decided they could be released after receiving just 20 lashes each of the whip.
As they were preparing for their punishment, the Sheik announced: �It's my first wife's birthday today, and she has asked me to allow each of you one wish before your whipping.�

The Englishman was first in line, he thought for a while and then said �Please tie a pillow to my back.� This was done, but the pillow only lasted 10 lashes before the whip went through. When the punishment was done he had to be carried away bleeding and crying with pain.

The Frenchman was next up. After watching the Englishman in horror, he said smugly: �Please fix two pillows to my back.� But even two pillows could only take 15 lashes before the whip went through again, and the Frenchman was soon led away whimpering loudly (as they do).

The American was the last one up, but before he could say anything, the Sheik turned to him and said: �You are from a most beautiful part of the world and your culture is one of the finest in the world. For this, you may have two wishes!�

�Thank you, your Most Royal and Merciful highness�, the American replied. �In recognition of your kindness, my first wish is that you give me not 20, but 100 lashes.�

�Not only are you an honourable, handsome and powerful man, you are also very brave.� The Sheik said with an admiring look on his face. �If 100 lashes is what you desire, then so be it. And your second wish, what is it to be?� the Sheik asked.

The American replied: �Tie the Frenchman to my back.�

Regards,
John

[007]

Well, John, if somebody throw acid on your eyes and blinding you on your both eyes, what punishment do you accept for your attacker:

1. Removing the eyes of your attacker (law of retaliation or talion); or
2. Putting him in prison for 1 year; or
3. compensation (blood money); or
4. forgiveness (If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38�39).

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

Thanks, John...but yer being impolitic...

That shouldn't be "Frenchman", but should be "Freedom-man"...

NCTBA

P.s.- Thanks for bring my spirits up after such a depressing story!

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

Mod Edit due to the poster viciously attacking himself and slandering the same.

[isabel]

Unbelievable. I was just reading about it.

Extremely sad that anyone would even consider this. Sadder still that anyone else would even listen!

[johnslat]

Dear 007,

Were I a good Christian or a good Muslim or a good adherent of any other major religion, I would have to (and want to) choose Number 4.

As an agnostic, however, I'd choose a .45 automatic and someone to help me point it in the attacker's direction.

Regards,
John

[007]

[johnslat]

Dear 007,

I would appreciate it if you could name me one country that "forgave its enemies" when they attacked it.
Perhaps your country has - and what country would that be?

Laws and punishment are part of every country's justice system. The question raised by this article is whether getting a doctor to break someone's back is a good, just, fair, and humane system.
The justice systems of most countries have at least some flaws. Human administered justice cannot, I think, ever be flawless. However, some systems are more flawed than others.

Regards,
John

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]