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ksam



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: KAUST Schools Reply with quote

http://www.kaustschools.org/page.cfm?p=285

Their website indicates a few ESL/EAL positions. I'm wondering if anyone here is (or knows of someone) working there either as a ELT or as a classroom teacher?

Any information on the working conditions, admin, salary package would be helpful.

Thanks,
ksam
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As of right now, their EFL department consists of the director... a very nice and competent American woman. They have had one very experienced hire who, last I heard, left after 3 months. (and another who was fired after a couple weeks) Rumor was that another American woman might be on the way. The pay is phenomenal... the annual can get to 6 figures if your CV is strong enough. BUT... no iqamas... visa renewal runs are required... only single status... and the university is refusing to provide housing. Thus, EFL teachers are stuck in a rather plush prison... a fancy hotel in Jeddah which requires a very long commute in the morning and evening.

What few classes there have been are mostly Chinese students - and a few "other Arabs." It seems that Saudis with the credentials are preferring to head to the US or UK rather than KAUST.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ksam, are you talking about a post with the university as en ESL instructor for helping university students, or as teacher in their K-12 schools? Because they are 2 completely things.

Don't know anything about conditions, but the pay is phenomenal for both jobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have they got their K-12 school up and running yet? I know that they are trying to get some EFL teachers for the university.

VS
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup the schools have been running, and from the looks of it, have amazing facilities.

Check it out.

http://www.kaustschools.org
http://www.kaust.edu.sa/community/schools/gk-12.html

They use the IB system throughout K-12 and are a candidate for the IB World School designation.
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ksam



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trapezius, I was referring specifically to the K-12 international school. From the staff list on their website it seems they have a few EAL positions in addition to the regular K-12 positions. Also, according to their website they've been IBO certified since June 2010.

VS, thanks for the info. With all that money, it must of been something serious for that teacher to leave so soon. I guess nothing is ever as it seems in Saudi. Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear ksam

"I guess nothing is ever as it seems in Saudi."

Even the saying "Nothing is ever as it seems" is never as it seems in the Kingdom.

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ksam wrote:
VS, thanks for the info. With all that money, it must of been something serious for that teacher to leave so soon. I guess nothing is ever as it seems in Saudi. Confused

Not serious unless you consider non-family status and having to live in a hotel for the duration as serious. Laughing

I tried to find any information on that website and it is hopeless. I have tried and tried to find anything on the employment link. It looks very pretty, but most of the links lead to dead ends with no information. (such as the academic calendar... or holidays...)

I know people who were interviewed to start at this school this year, but none of them were hired.

Are you sure that it is functioning Trap? Do you know anyone teaching there?

VS
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Miss TESOL



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:09 pm    Post subject: Salaries aren't actually that great Reply with quote

The salaries on offer at the KAUST learning center aren't actually all that great (don't know about the KAUST schools). From my own contacts and queries I've learned that the current offer is around high 50's (USD) base salary plus another 500/week living allowance.

A nominal fee is deducted for hotel accommodation in Jeddah, so after these deductions, the salary would be in the low 80K range plus health benefits and 20 days vacation.

Previously KAUST/AED were offering an hourly wage which would indeed translate to nearly 100K for the year--w/ no benefits, AND provided one worked every single day of that year w/ no vacation. It's my understanding this hourly rate is no longer on offer.

Compared to the salaries and benefits being offered to regular faculty in science and engineering, this sounds like a fairly low offer for those in the efl dept. 80K is nothing to sniff at, but for the work involved, especially the long commute, and startup hardships, any takers will certainly be working long, hard hours to earn their paychecks.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Salaries aren't actually that great Reply with quote

Miss TESOL wrote:
Previously KAUST/AED were offering an hourly wage which would indeed translate to nearly 100K for the year--w/ no benefits, AND provided one worked every single day of that year w/ no vacation. It's my understanding this hourly rate is no longer on offer.

Based on what I know, up until a week or so ago, there had been two EFL teachers hired, both already departed - one very quickly, one after 3 months. Of the one that I know personally and another from this board who was negotiating, there has never been an hourly pay. The pay has been daily plus the $100 a day ($500 a week) expense allowance. And thus the pay that you state was closer to the offers for a 6 month contract, not for one year. But, of course, it depends on credentials and experience.

If the pay had been cut in half, they are obviously going after teachers without the extensive experience that they had been demanding previously. I also heard that they seemed to be shying away from teachers with too much Middle East experience.

The big downside is still the long commute to a long hotel stay... ugh...

VS
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