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[mccainjohn96]

When people talk about getting back in after a runner or whatever by getting a new passport, with a new number, how come they don't get tripped up by just their name? If you get put on a blacklist, don't they put your name on it?

[Grendal]

and I thought that you actually/literally washed your passport..........

I am sorry. I was going to offer you some other advice.

bye

Grendal

[veiledsentiments]

I expect that it is because they go by passport number rather than name...

VS

[mccainjohn96]

are they that easy to fool? hard to believe. If anybody out there has tried a new passport and been caught trying to sneak in that way, I'd sure like to know about it.

[veiledsentiments]

Over the years, we haven't had anyone mention it here. I wonder if the use of eye scans will change the simple passport wash.

VS

[also in saudi]

They're fingerprinting too.

[Cleopatra]

[veiledsentiments]

One wonders how long it will take before they have the capability to tie all the data collected together... or perhaps they don't really care all that much when it gets down to it.

How much effort is it worth to keep out an English teacher?

VS

[mccainjohn96]

Well, if there is no blacklist at the embassies, what about at customs or immigration when you arrive?

Let's say you sign an offer letter with employer #1, who sends a visa letter to an embassy for you, but then you change your mind, do not sign the long contract or apply for the visa, and send your regrets.

Then some months later you sign with employer #2, do the whole nine yards, get the visa and deploy. Upon arrival, immigration seems to take an unusually long time checking you out, and some months later, denies you an iqama, fingerprints you, asks you if you have ever been blacklisted before, and without naming your accuser, makes you leave the country.

Employer #2 is dismayed, but gives you a reference and a LONO.

Again, some months later, you tell your tale to employer #3, who has his GR department run your original passport info. You get a clean report, and he wants to give you a try, but with no guarantees, since it's tough to prove a negative.

What are your prospects with old and new passport?

[veiledsentiments]

Unless you actually sign the contract, get stuff stamped in your passport, and arrive in Saudi and do all the required rigmarole post arrival, you are not really officially hired I would say.

Months later I don't see any problem if you accept another position and start all over again. Besides how would one ever know if one had been "blacklisted" assuming that there was such a thing?

Hopefully if anyone has had a problem like this, they will mention it... the key may be the time between the two sets of paperwork.

VS

[mccainjohn96]

Let's say that upon inquiries after your expulsion, a friendly soul on the hiring committee at employer #1 tells you that the dean had become enraged at your regrets and had you blacklisted.

And let's say a close reading of the LONO from employer #2 reveals that it has boilerplate saying it is contingent upon contract completion, which never occurs. But the reference letter says the early departure was through no fault of the employee.

So far, you think you have the moral high ground. But to "play it safe" and get a new passport, you have to lie about losing the original, not to mention the $200 expedited replacement fee. Then if you do get caught upon arrival, the new passport makes you look sneaky.

[Cleopatra]

[mccainjohn96]

Are there any other sections of this class open? if I have to take it with Cleopatra, I'm dropping it.

[veiledsentiments]

There are no other sections because there are no other answers.

I wouldn't spend a great deal of time worrying about non-existent blacklists. You are thinking way too much and making up situations that are way too convoluted for the mentality of the average bureaucratic government Ministry.

VS

[cmp45]

Buddy, I think Cleo did pretty well answering your convoluted senarios and what ifs...there really isn't much more to say.