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The Boz



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:34 am    Post subject: Almost have an MA...but not quite... Reply with quote

I'm currently working on my final thesis for an MA in the Humanities (English Lit.), and I plan to submit it around December but won't receive my degree until around May of 2011 as my thesis has to go through an approval process, etc. Is there any chance that I would be able to get a job at a university in Taiwan without my diploma in hand in the initial interviewing stages? Also, would I have a good chance of finding a decent university position with this type of degree? (If it makes any difference, I also received an BA in English from a good school in the U.S.)
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Seymour Glass



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it does make a difference, schools cannot hire you without a degree in hand...
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forest1979



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would add that as a new graduate you would strugle to find work as a university instructor. I'm not saying it's impossible but you'd be against fellow MA holders in the job market who would have more teaching experience, have arguably taught in Taiwan before as well at university level, and maybe have a conference presentation or small publication or two, etc. I'd put your chances at near zero for a "decent university position", i.e a national university job, regardless of whether you graduated from a "good school" in the US or not. Sorry. The competition for university jobs is extremely tough in Taiwan.
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The Boz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both for your replies. Good to know where I stand so that I can start looking at other possibilities.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boz wrote:
Thank you both for your replies. Good to know where I stand so that I can start looking at other possibilities.


I suppose you have a chance if you get on it early at the beginning of 2011 or even start contacting schools in late 2010 here. Anything is possible here in Taiwan.

It also depends what you mean by university position. There are more special project English teaching positions offered these days at Taiwanese universities and they target Master's degree holding applicants.

Yes, people can get hired by Taiwanese universities from overseas such as Korea or Japan and those who are still back home waiting for their degree to be issued. And freshly graduated Master's degree holders have found jobs in National Universities.

There are some big private universities in Taiwan, particularly Taipei, and all they do is hire mainly Master's degree holding teachers to work in their language centers as faculty, or as special project or staff teachers in their satellite downtown campuses. Again, it depends on what you mean by "university position", because theses days, it's not totally black and white. There are bona fide faculty positions in universities and then there are the "staff" or "special project" instructors, and there is just no comparison between the two in terms of compensation, classroom hours, benefits, vacation time, etc.

The positions are out there and there are many more foreign university EFL teachers in Taiwan who hold Master's degrees than there are those who possess Ph.D degrees.

All the best to you.
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forest1979



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the previous posting with a pinch of salt.

Special projects? Yes, usually paid for by a small grant that offers work on a very strict time basis. One year often. These jobs often require an ability in Chinese too. Hence locals with MAs not newly graduated foreigners take them, and furthermore they are employed on staff not faculty contracts. The pay is much less - mid 40,000s rather than mid-50,000s for a faculty instructor. No MoE teaching certificate given too. When the project ends so does the job.

Are private universities in Taipei really firing MA holders, or "mainly" hiring such people? I'd like evidence for this as traditional employers of foreigners, eg Ming Chuan, which had the biggest language centre in Taiwan, is not replacing instructors who leave, and instead is looking to employ people with PhDs in hand. MA holders there are being 'encouraged' to enrol on the uni's own PhD programme. At the same time it is common knowledge that at Ming Chuan there are shifts in management attitudes and consequently there's a lot of nervous staff in the ELC.

Some truthful points raised in the previous post
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