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engalba
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 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: Englon TEFL UK |
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Does anyone know Englon TEFL UK? A Google search does not return any result. Their English website is a bit weird.
Is it customary to ask to candidate to pay for their VISA application?
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Englon TEFL UK |
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| engalba wrote: |
Does anyone know Englon TEFL UK? A Google search does not return any result. Their English website is a bit weird.
Is it customary to ask to candidate to pay for their VISA application?
Thanks. |
The name would be more than enough to put me off, let alone the fact that you can't find anything on the net apart from a messy website!
No legitimte company will ask you to pay for your visa application. Unless it's a VISA card that you're talking about 
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Blistering Zanazilz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Most people pay for their own Chinese visas obtained at a consulate. Schools usually pay for the stuff that you need to get the visa, but the visa is paid for by the applicant. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Blistering Zanazilz wrote: |
| Most people pay for their own Chinese visas obtained at a consulate. Schools usually pay for the stuff that you need to get the visa, but the visa is paid for by the applicant. |
I presumed that the OP was talking about the whole Z-Visa/RP application and processing costs. The school would normally pay those costs. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:40 am Post subject: |
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It's always been divided 'home country' cost and 'in China' cost.
Technically the costs in China are not 'visa' since you already have that, but 'RP' costs. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
It's always been divided 'home country' cost and 'in China' cost.
Technically the costs in China are not 'visa' since you already have that, but 'RP' costs. |
Yeah, fair enough. I had my Z-Visa processed in HK and RP in SH, all paid by my school. Then again, I was in China at the time not my home country  |
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nimadecaomei
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| It is usually the teacher who picks up out of country cost, how much of it you get back, if anything, depends on the school. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
It's always been divided 'home country' cost and 'in China' cost.
Technically the costs in China are not 'visa' since you already have that, but 'RP' costs. |
Yeah, fair enough. I had my Z-Visa processed in HK and RP in SH, all paid by my school. Then again, I was in China at the time not my home country |
The great mystery of Z visas in HK .
Usually it turns out that there are some special circumstances i.e spouse that allows this.
I've never come across a situation where a FT comes to China on an L (tourist) visa, gets a job and has it converted to a Z in HK.  |
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Blistering Zanazilz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| there's no "conversion" a term which can be confusing to people not familiar with visa applications. If you have an L visa and you need a Z you apply for and get a completely new visa. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:23 am Post subject: |
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‘I've never come across a situation where a FT comes to China on an L (tourist) visa, gets a job and has it converted to a Z in HK. Confused’
Really NS, I know a few people who have come to China on a L-visa, then to HK to process their Z-visa and then back to the Mainland to convert the Z into RP. I did this in the Summer of 2014.
Been 2 or 3 years since I personally know of somebody doing this though. So I'm unsure if it is still currently possible. |
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Blistering Zanazilz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| getbehindthemule wrote: |
and then back to the Mainland to convert the Z into RP. I did this in the Summer of 2014.
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This is what I would call a "conversion" since there's a direct connection between a Z visa and an RP. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Blistering Zanazilz wrote: |
| getbehindthemule wrote: |
and then back to the Mainland to convert the Z into RP. I did this in the Summer of 2014.
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This is what I would call a "conversion" since there's a direct connection between a Z visa and an RP. |
Yes, if you are in China on L visa you need to apply for a Z visa. Once the paperwork is processed you need to leave to get your Z visa stamp and then re-enter on it. The Z visa becomes irrelevant once converted to RP within one month of arrival on Z.
Or at least that is the way it was, with all the new legislation now I'm not fully up to date! |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:41 am Post subject: |
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I agree 'conversion' is too loose a term. Let's go with 'change visa status from L to Z'.
If this can be done in HK, then it is the solution to the oft-encountered situation of arriving at a school and finding it different from the spiel and being caught by a take it or leave it situation.
But the threads are full of folk who have been told that they must return to home country to apply for the Z. Over recent months I can recall US and British people affected in this way. |
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getbehindthemule
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
I agree 'conversion' is too loose a term. Let's go with 'change visa status from L to Z'.
If this can be done in HK, then it is the solution to the oft-encountered situation of arriving at a school and finding it different from the spiel and being caught by a take it or leave it situation.
But the threads are full of folk who have been told that they must return to home country to apply for the Z. Over recent months I can recall US and British people affected in this way. |
Yes, it depends heavily on the school's guanxi whether it will be smooth sailing or not! |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:55 am Post subject: |
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This means you don't know if you will have to go home to get a Z.
I wouldn't want a newbe to come to China on an L in the expectation of nipping across to HK to change to a Z. |
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