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hsm



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: How much does the recruitment agency charge? Reply with quote

Hello,,,

I'd like to know how much the recruitment agency charges for its services the newly recruited native speaker?

Will s/he be reimbursed by the Saudi employer?

Actually, I'm from the Middle East working in Saudi Arabia but the recruitment agency charged me ONE SALARY for their services. Is it the same for native speakers from England, USA and Canada? Could you tell your experience on this point?

And the Saudi employer did not reimburse me? There is no reference to reimbursement in the contract though some native speakers were reimbursed.

thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually, I'm from the Middle East working in Saudi Arabia but the recruitment agency charged me ONE SALARY for their services. Is it the same for native speakers from England, USA and Canada? Could you tell your experience on this point?


Where I live, recruitment agencies are forbidden by law to charge the employee anything at all. They make their money by charging the employer a fee for every person they place with them. I believe the same law applies all over the EU so if you're dealing with a British agency, they should not be charging you a penny - if they are legitimate, that is.

While I don't know if similar laws apply in KSA, I've never heard of anyone here having to pay a recruiter anything at all. It seems to be the same deal as elsewhere - the employer pays, not the employee. This whole thing sounds very fishy to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where I live, recruitment agencies are forbidden by law to charge the employee anything at all.



Unfortunately, what happened and is happening is the opposite.

One of my friends paid the recruitment agency one salary. As you know there is what you call a (probationary period) after which my friend decided to go back home as the whole situation is not satisfactory for him.

The employer charged him the cost of the visa and he already paid one salary to the recruitment agency. Imagine this double loss!

Actually, I have no idea if the employer knows of the actions of the recruitment agency though I don't think it's a secret and every employee talks about it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, unfortunately if your friend has already paid the agency a month's salary it's unlikely there's anything he/she can do to get it back now. As I say, it sounds distinctly dodgy to me: we've had complaints about recruitment agencies on this board before, but this is the first time I've heard of them taking money from the employee. That's a warning sign straight away.

As for having to pay visa costs, that is not so unreasonable given that your friend did not fulfill his/her contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recruitment agency usually charges an amount between 1500 - 2000 US$ that's to be paid by the employer. Countries such as Jordan, the law says that the employee must pay the recruitment agency 9% of his/her annual salary. But when recruiting native teachers in Saudi, the employee is reimbursed for his medical check, tickets, and visa agent fees. That's how it goes with many schools here !
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hsm



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Cleopatra for the helpful information,,,,

Having read what Cleopatra said and what I've experienced and seen in the company, John.Dwight, I'm not sure if charging the employee with one salary by the recruitment agency is really a law.

If you have any link to a government document or whatever, could you post it?

I was reimbursed for the medical check required for iqama but not for the medical check for the visa!

I came to Saudi Arabia by bus not by airplane, so I was reimbursed for half of the airline ticket value.

I was not reimbursed for any of the visa agent fees!

This is true for other non-native speakers too...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hsm... are you in education? The situation outside of education is different.

Are you also referring to someone who is local hire? Local hire using local recruiters is a different situation too.

The reality is that the rules and contracts for non-native speakers with North American or European passports are different from those from Arabic speaking countries or Asia.

I have never read here of any Western teacher paying a recruiter anything. It is the responsibility of their employers.

VS
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I'm in the education and training sector teaching English to high school graduates or government employees.

The recruitment agency is local located in Asian and African Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan...it contracts teachers from those countries to work in Saudi Arabia; the employer knows that the recruitment agency is charging teachers with one salary.

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I have never read here of any Western teacher paying a recruiter anything. It is the responsibility of their employers


Unfortunately, all Arab teachers recruited did pay one salary to the recruitment agency usually in two installments: one to begin the paperwork and the other upon getting the visa on the passport.

The contracts of non-native speakers do not refer to the recruitment agency in relation to the employer and/or employee.

VS, the Western teacher does not pay a recruiter anything...is that because of a clause in the native speaker's contract or the law in his/her country of origin?

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Local hire using local recruiters is a different situation too

Could you explain that more?

Thanks VS for sharing...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was reimbursed for the medical check required for iqama but not for the medical check for the visa!

I came to Saudi Arabia by bus not by airplane, so I was reimbursed for half of the airline ticket value.

I was not reimbursed for any of the visa agent fees!


So far as I am aware, there is no law obliging employers to refund employees for visa related expenses. Most employers do reimburse these costs on the teacher's arrival in the Kingdom, but I don't think they are actually legally obliged to do so.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hsm wrote:
VS, the Western teacher does not pay a recruiter anything...is that because of a clause in the native speaker's contract or the law in his/her country of origin?

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Local hire using local recruiters is a different situation too

Could you explain that more?

Local employment agencies in the Gulf seem to charge the employee rather than the employer (or perhaps both of them)... I'm talking about all fields. We (North Americans) found it odd because in our systems, employers always pay these agencies. It is not a law, but just standard business practice.

There is nothing in contracts about this. It has become standard for Westerners because that is what we expect. They know that Arabs and Asians are easy to get what with the lack of good jobs in their own countries, so they can make you pay. For most "Westerners," the situation is quite different and if they want us... they have to pay more and we won't pay anything to anyone to get there. In 15+ years teaching around the Middle East, the total that I paid for any part of the process of getting a job was a total of about $100 for degree certifications.

VS
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This practice is illegal in the United Kingdom. Any fees must be paid by the employer, not the employee.

Why not just go for direct hire ?
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hsm



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Local employment agencies in the Gulf seem to charge the employee rather than the employer (or perhaps both of them)...


The recruitment agency pays to the employer (hotel reservation for example) and the employee pays to the recruitment agency...this scenario is according to a recruitment agent who recently employed some colleagues for PYP in KSA...


Thank you VS,,,



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Why not just go for direct hire ?


Scot47, it happens that the employer sometimes gets very picky...this is true for newly established companies which can't feel satisfied unless they choose very few from too many (candidates) in the interview...only then they think they chose correctly...

Sometimes the employer is in a hurry, wants to get things done at one time and can't wait employees to apply individually, then the recruitment agency arranges ads, hotel reservation, interviews and finalizes paperwork for visas...

Of course, there are other reasons but I mentioned those because they match my case...

regards,,,
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly every laborer I knew in the Kingdom paid a years salary to some scam artist in his own country.

The really idiotic thing is that when you tell them they are being scammed they don't pay any attention and still pay.

And then it's the Gulf employer who gets all the flak.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Stephen,

Maybe because unscrupulous practices deserve more flak than desperation does.

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ FTW (for the win).

^^ Are you really blaming poor as dirt laborers for doing whatever they can to feed their families? Rolling Eyes


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