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What should I do?
Get a CELTA and leave in Summer 2011
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Finish my Science Ed. masters and leave in Summer 2012
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Spend 14,000 and leave in Summer 2012 with Masters in TESOL
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ex500



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: What would you do? Reply with quote

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MixtecaMike



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely get the Masters, and then tack on a CELTA before coming here. You could probably bring your parents, if not permanently as least as long-term visitors. It may involve sending them off to somewhere else for part of the year, I'm not sure of the details.
Having an American passport is much more important than how you look when it comes time to sign a contract. In two or three years, with an MA, CELTA and a few years teaching at an official high school I would fancy your chances at picking up a decent English teaching job at a university here.
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Al-Mansoor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Defo complete your Masters and get the CELTA as well as some experience in teaching English, even if it's only a few hours a week.

You can never stay in Saudi unconditionally so it's always wise to have a back-up plan, just in case.
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why people always assume they have to spend $14,000 to get an MA in TESOL. Mine was free, through the department's required assistantship program for all MA students. Those things still exist.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finish your M.Ed., do the CELTA, and then come teach here. Doing the MA in TESOL would be overkill (and costly as you note).

As for your parents coming here, they could come here as your dependents, I think. Certainly if your employer wants to help you in that regard, they can bring them under your sponsorship. However, they might say no, as dependents usually means spouse and children.

Buying a house here? Yeah, that's not happening. Foreigners can't really buy property here. You would have to make good friends with a Saudi (a Saudi woman, perhaps, who could become your wife!) and have the house under his/her name, but that's just not advisable at all. If there is any falling out between you and him/her, s/he could kick you out and take over the house, as on paper it would be his/hers anyway. If that happens, nobody in the world can help you, not Obama and his reps here, not the King here, no one. (because legally the house would be your Saudi 'friend's')

Selling your house in your homeland to buy one in an Arab country is just a terrible idea. If you only have one house in the US, STICK to it. When you move here, rent it out so you can get some extra income to rent a place here until you save enough to buy one.

UAE and Qatar definitely allow foreigners to own property. I am not so sure about Bahrain and Kuwait in that regard. I think Kuwait perhaps has some freehold properties.

If you and/or your parents are thinking about staying long-term in the Middle East, I would definitely recommend any of the 4 small countries I just mentioned over Saudi Arabia, for your and your parents' mental and emotional well-being, and I can't overemphasize that.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, how realistic is it to bring my parents over there to live (not work) after I get some experience. I am currently single. We could also sell our house here and buy one there (thinking very long-term). I am also open to working in Kuwait if it is better for the long-term or bringing parents. And to a lesser extent the UAE. I know bringing parents to a place like Egypt is easy, but I am not as interested in living there.


As Trapezius has said, it is currently impossible for foreigners to buy property in Saudi Arabia.

As for bringing your parents over, as with so much else, it all depends on the employer, because it is they, and only they, who can organise your parents' visa. Some employers will be happy enough to do this, others will not. Others will say they'll sponsor your relatives, but will later turn out to be completely uncooperative.

So this is one of those questions to which it's impossible to give a general answer. Once you are offered a job, ask around on the board or elsewhere to see what that employer's record - if any - is on these matters.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trapezius wrote:
UAE and Qatar definitely allow foreigners to own property. I am not so sure about Bahrain and Kuwait in that regard. I think Kuwait perhaps has some freehold properties.

I agree with the previous posters. Finish the MA and get the CELTA. You can always add an MA in TEFL if you need it.

As to buying property in the other Gulf countries... read the horror stories... and DON'T DO IT. How to lose lots of money fast... Stick to buying real estate in countries that have actual laws regarding ownership - especially as related to non-citizens. For instance, in the UAE or Oman, it seems that one doesn't get a residence visa... so you can only be there on a short-term tourist visa if you have no employer who will provide one. This is all a real can of worms.

One issue to think about before bringing parents is health care. You will likely need to buy international plans for them to have coverage that will send them back home for treatment if necessary (assuming that they too have US citizenship now or India if they still have ties there).

VS
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plan to bring parents to Saudi Arabia and buy a house here are TOTALLY impractical.

Sorry to be be blunt, frank and realistic. Saudi Arabia does NOT encourage settlement.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As to buying property in the other Gulf countries... read the horror stories... and DON'T DO IT. How to lose lots of money fast... Stick to buying real estate in countries that have actual laws regarding ownership - especially as related to non-citizens. For instance, in the UAE or Oman, it seems that one doesn't get a residence visa... so you can only be there on a short-term tourist visa if you have no employer who will provide one. This is all a real can of worms.


I remember reading somewhere that in the UAE, foreign property owners legally own only the building, but not the land it is built on, or perhaps vice versa.
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ex500



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the government is paying for your current MA studies, don't you have to teach for X number of years? I know different states have different programs.

Best to try Saudi by yourself for a few years. You may find that you will be more than happy to leave ... and it is good to have a home to go back to... and soon your parents may need you closer if they are growing older.

There are always jobs back in the US teaching science. Good to have options.

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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ex500 wrote:
Thanks guys.

The masters in TESOL does seem overkill considering the cost, if I could find I way to get it for less I would,



What did I just say about free MATESOL degrees?
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