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Minella
Joined: 22 Aug 2010 Posts: 37 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: Can non native English speakers teach in Taiwan? |
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I am a non native English speaker. I have a Tefl certificate plus have native English proficiency, is it still not possible to teach in Taiwan? All the jobs that I have applied, they returned back to me saying I have all the necessary degrees and great English but they still can't employ me to teach in Taiwan! How unfair is that! Is there absolutely no way of teaching there as a non native English what so ever? Any ideas? |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: |
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First, from your post it is clear that you do not have native like English proficiency. Furthermore, yes you can teach English in Taiwan if you marry a Taiwanese. I know a guy from Turkey who teaches English. I think he makes 80,000 a month.
Despite that the Taiwanese government will not offer you a working visa to teach English in Taiwan. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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All the jobs that I have applied, they returned back(no native English speaker speaks like this) to me saying I have all the necessary degrees and great English but they still can't employ me to teach in Taiwan! |
For example this sentence: All the jobs that I have applied for have replied back saying that despite having a degree they cannot employ me to teach in Taiwan since I am not a native English speaker. |
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Dr_Zoidberg

Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Posts: 406 Location: Not posting on Forumosa.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: |
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I have personally met a Russian who was teaching English in Taiwan with a job-sponsored ARC. He had a Canadian passport.
I have personally worked with a Pole who was teaching English in Taiwan with a job-sponsored ARC. He had an American passport.
Obviously one is not required to be a native speaker, only to hold the passport of a country where there are native English speakers. The Taiwanese wouldn't know a native English speaker if he bit them on the ass.
By the way, how do South Africans get their ARCs when their native tongue is Afrikaans? |
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Minella
Joined: 22 Aug 2010 Posts: 37 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:28 am Post subject: |
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I am not a native English so why do you say no native English says this? I am not even trying to be a native English. My grammar is right and I have lived in England and Australia and I can speak fluently. Also this post is not about me or how I speak. Clearly there is nothing wrong with my speaking here. Meaning wise it is not wrong to say "this person returned back to me with this reply etc etc" I have heard it from my native English friends before. Anyway the point is not this. But thank you for fixing my grammatical mistake anyway!!
Thank you to Dr_Zoidberg for giving me the answer I was actually looking for!
PS: Many native English speakers make many many grammatical mistakes so maybe you should also criticize them... |
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Minella
Joined: 22 Aug 2010 Posts: 37 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Nice one about the South Africans ) I had a friend from South Africa and he hardly knew any Afrikaans lol. So maybe not all of them can speak it. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Meaning wise it is not wrong to say "this person returned back to me with this reply etc etc" I have heard it from my native English friends before. Anyway the point is not this. But thank you for fixing my grammatical mistake anyway!! |
Actually the meaning is wrong, returned back is used when someone returns a physical object back to you. ex: I returned the book back to the library. If someone is speaking or sending an email, they replied back to me.
The real point is why would someone in Taiwan need to employ a non-native English speaker. Taiwan has 24 million of them. Some have very high levels of English. |
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Dr_Zoidberg

Joined: 29 Sep 2004 Posts: 406 Location: Not posting on Forumosa.
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Minella wrote: |
Nice one about the South Africans ) I had a friend from South Africa and he hardly knew any Afrikaans lol. So maybe not all of them can speak it. |
I worked for a buxiban where I was the only Canadian among a dozen or so South Africans. Outside of the classroom it was all Afrikaans all the time. |
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Dr_Zoidberg

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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Just out of curiosity, Minella, why do you not try to get an English teaching job in your own country? |
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forest1979

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 507 Location: SE Asia
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: |
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I know of Filipinos/Filipinos working in universities. Other too, e.g. Eastern Europeans - all teaching English despite it not being their first language. How come? Isn't the place of graduation very important? |
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creztor
Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 476
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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As someone mentioned elsewhere or probably on another forum, universities have different criteria for their teachers? I think that is the story because my wife has two Russian teachers but they don't teach conversation, grammar and some kind of culture thing. Uni might be an option for the OP if she/he has the right qualifications etc. |
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scarab1169
Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 42
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And I'm tired of being judged as a non-native speaker, when people hear I'm from SA. The first thing that goes through their mind is that I supported the racist old goverment and that I have a thick stupid accent because my mother tongue is probably Afrikaans. That isn't true. Yet, that's the kind of judgement and predujuce I've to live with. The Afrikaans speaking population makes up a very small percentage of people in SA. English is the the main medium that is used in communications because there are 11 official languages in SA. So, that's maybe why it's seen as an official English speaking country? I don't know. I' just know that I'm so sick and tired of being judged because if this stupid perception that people have. And to the OP, in this country people will often tell you how great you are, and actually lie to your face about it. That's just the culture. Don't believe everything people tell you - they'll tell you that you're a god, just to not lose face. Look at something else to do if you want to stay in this country. And life isn't fair - that's all that I'll say. |
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Benben
Joined: 04 Sep 2010 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:48 am Post subject: |
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You can teach as long as you have a passport from CAN, US, Aust, etc....
We've been here for a year teaching and we never had any problems.
My gf and I are both from the french and bilingual part of Canada and English is our second language. I also had two other francophone friends teaching in Taiwan and they didn't have any problems getting a visa with their Canadian passports.
Maybe it helped that we were certified as native speakers when we took our TESL course. Luckily the teacher didn't realize we technically weren't.
We couldn't get a visa for Korea, but Taiwan was ok. |
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bbc100
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Posts: 8
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Getting a visa is easy, problem is where to start looking for a job? I tried Hess but just received a rejection letter. |
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