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Alegra
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 Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: Age |
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| Can anybody tell me if there are some countries that accept people over 65 years of age? |
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Age |
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| Alegra wrote: |
| Can anybody tell me if there are some countries that accept people over 65 years of age? |
Unless you have a PhD and are current in your field or R&D you are pretty much hooped if you are over 65.
The chances of getting a job as an ESL teacher (as a newbie in the field if ESL) and over 65 are slim at best. (many countries in Asia force retirement at 62).
Ageism is alive and well in the ESL industry and legal in most countries that hire ESL teachers..
You best bet for being over 65 and finding a job would be in countries that allow/require seniors to work (like the US)..
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GambateBingBangBOOM
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:42 am Post subject: Re: Age |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
You best bet for being over 65 and finding a job would be in countries that allow/require seniors to work (like the US)..
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There's lots of people over 65 teaching ESL in Canada... but they aren't getting paid. They're volunteers. That way, people with training and a need to pay for rent etc don't need to be hired. Employers can get by with retirees and those people who are getting training by making them volunteer placements. |
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sojourner
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Location: nice, friendly, easy-going (ALL) Peoples' Republic of China
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Alegra,
Yes, ageism is pretty rife in the EFL world.But Tttompatz and GBBB are, in my opinion, a little too gloomy re your prospects !
Check out the following thread : http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=84388 . There are quite a number of mature-aged teachers (60 and over) working in China !
Some time back on one of these fora, I came across a post from a woman aged 65 who is teaching in Mexico.
If you can't obtain a proper salaried teaching position in the country of your choice, contact some of the more reputable volunteer organisations.You might be offered a "volunteer" position where you would probably be provided with free accommodation/meals - and, maybe, even some "pocket money" ! Who knows, in such situations you might even have enough spare time to do some private tutoring !
Good luck !
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| sojourner wrote: |
. . . Some time back on one of these fora, I came across a post from a woman aged 65 who is teaching in Mexico. . . .
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Could that be me? I turned 65 this summer. I am semi-retired and living in Mexico and have a few private adult students. However, I am a very experienced teacher with a teaching degree and spent lots of time living and traveling in Mexico and Spain before settling here in 2007. Also, I had friends and professional contacts to help me when I arrived. I don't know what it would be like for someone my age who turned up here looking for work without the advantages I've enjoyed. |
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sojourner
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Hi Isla !
Yes, I'm pretty sure that it was you - the name seems familiar !
Right now, I am teaching in China; and will do so, hopefully, for another 5 or 6 years. And, after that ? Will probably head off in your direction (ie Latin America). Even though I will be comfortably well-off (pension, investments, condo in Thailand) I would still like a proper (ie, salaried) position, teaching not only Oral English but also such subjects as Intercultural Communication, Business English, Management, etc, preferably at the tertiary level.If not, I would be satisfied with a volunteer position, especially if provided with free accommodation !
You mentioned that you are able to get work in Mexico on account of your contacts. But what about the immigration and labour laws ? Are foreigners over 60 legally permitted to work in Mexico ?
Also, what sort of work are you doing ? Working for schools and colleges - or, private tutoring ?
Regards,
Peter |
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Alegra
Joined: 13 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: age |
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Thanks to all of you who sent me info. I've been considering online teaching. It's big in Korea and Japan but hasn't made much headway in Latin America. I'm fluent in Portuguese and spent many years in Brazil teaching professionals.
Does anyone have info on distance learning from Mexico down? |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| sojourner wrote: |
Hi Isla !
. . . teaching not only Oral English but also such subjects as Intercultural Communication, Business English, Management, etc, preferably at the tertiary level.If not, I would be satisfied with a volunteer position, especially if provided with free accommodation !
You mentioned that you are able to get work in Mexico on account of your contacts. But what about the immigration and labour laws ? Are foreigners over 60 legally permitted to work in Mexico ?
Also, what sort of work are you doing ? Working for schools and colleges - or, private tutoring ?
Regards,
Peter |
Greetings Peter,
I haven't taught in a university in Mexico in years, but I don't recall a course called Oral English being offered. There were the usual levels (beginning, intermediate and advanced) and electives like pronunciation and writing. I did once teach Advanced Conversation, but all of this was a long time ago! Perhaps those now teaching at Mexican universities will post and mention the names of the courses they're currently teaching. Free accommodation is rarely part of the package here.
There are no age limits for getting an FM3 that allows you to teach, either for a school or independently. You do need to present proof of a job offer (if working for a school) and proof that you are qualified to do the job (appropriate degree or TEFL certificate).
When I first arrived, I worked for a dispatch agency that sent me off to a student's home twice a week for private classes. After that I found my own students through free ads on the internet and through contacts: a neighbor (and later on his daughter), the director of a museum where I did some volunteer work, friends of former students and so on.
Cheers,
Marsha |
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spiral78
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I think 'oral English' is a phenomenon confined mostly to Asia - but am not sure of this!
Anyway, I've never encountered 'oral English' in North America or Europe.
I guess I have a pretty narrow stereotypical view of what 'oral English' might be - isn't this what newbies often provide? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Ah! I thought Oral English referred to lessons given in the East by teachers who were almost totally illiterate. At least, that's what I assumed based on their inability to post on Dave's in standard written English... |
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Isla Guapa
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| Yes, spiral, I believe that's so. From what I can tell when I "lurk" on the China forums, in China local instructors teach English grammar (most likely not in English!) and native speakers are used to provide exposure to and practice with authentic spoken English. Sometimes they're referred to as "human tape recorders". Sounds pretty awful to me, especially when the classes are huge! |
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SahanRiddhi
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| As I am hearing since a few years, the oral English is a part which Eastern Asia students lack. At least their abilities are not filled out fully as yet. That is where we as native English speakers come out to the scene. They're already knowing the rules well, and in fact is possible they're knowing them beyond us! But as for expressing speech, they're no-goers. That is to say, they're speaking far lower than the par for a course. Speaking with them in casual stylings does a great world wonder of help for the pupils. |
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Isla Guapa
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SahanRiddhi, you're a real trip, whoever, or whatever, you are  ! |
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Ariadne
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I'll second that.
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| SahanRiddhi wrote: |
| As I am hearing since a few years, the oral English is a part which Eastern Asia students lack. At least their abilities are not filled out fully as yet. That is where we as native English speakers come out to the scene. They're already knowing the rules well, and in fact is possible they're knowing them beyond us! But as for expressing speech, they're no-goers. That is to say, they're speaking far lower than the par for a course. Speaking with them in casual stylings does a great world wonder of help for the pupils. |
You are so funny (and so not a native speaker). 
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