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tclowers



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:32 pm    Post subject: Web International English - Chengdu Reply with quote

Okay, Web International English - Chengdu center: is there such a creature? The Web recruiting page doesn't talk much about it, but it's on the list of centers on Web's main site, and I've seen other listings that mention the Chengdu center, but I'm not sure how current that information is.

Has anyone on this forum ever worked for Web in Chengdu? Friends? Rumors? I'm wondering what the pay and conditions are like there. I used to live in Chengdu about three years back, it's a great town and I think the salary from a training center like that could go really far there.

If anyone on this forum has any information on this topic, I'd really appreciate hearing about it. Thanks for checking out my post.
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tclowers



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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askiptochina



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

25 hours teaching, 15 hours in the office. You really want that? Waste of 60 hours a month if you ask me. That's 2 weeks worth of teaching, you could be earning 1.5 times the amount. So, basically, they are getting 2 teachers to do jobs for 3 teachers. They just aren't putting 30 hours to use for whatever stupid reasons they have. Maybe they have some teachers on standby. That's the only thing I can think of.

I would take a lower paying job that didn't force me to sit in the office and then use that office time to make the .5 I would have lost if I worked at Web International. In the end, it wouldn't be more than 1.5 WI's salary, but it would be more like 1.25.
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Steve C.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think some folk put too much emphasis on the 15 "office" hours per week. The real time killer, based on my experience, was the time commuting.

In the past I worked for a center similar to Web. I would leave my apartment around 12 noon (45 minutes commute) and get to the center around 12:45pm. I'd spend 15 minutes smoking a cigarette before "clocking in" at 1pm. Then spend 1 hour gathering folders and making copies. This could be done in 30 minutes = waste of 30 minutes.

The other waste was the 1 hour that I wasn't scheduled to teach - basically, there were 6, 1 hour classes. I didn't consider the 1 hour lunch break, which is factored into the 40 hours, a waste either. So, 1.5 hours wasted at the school and then another 45 minutes commute back home = 3 hours a day.

This is why I prefer a university job where the commute is less than 10 minutes each way, today I will spend around 40 minutes commuting = better than 1.5 hours a day. My weekly commute time = around 2 hours v. nearly 8 hours.

Of course, you could rent an apartment within walking distance to the center.
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tclowers



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve C. wrote:
The real time killer, based on my experience, was the time commuting.


This is true. The downtime at a lot of these training centers is basically time to hang out with the students and/or co-workers. I can understand how some people might not be so into that, but at the same time I often wonder why such a person would choose this line of work.

As for commuting, Chengdu is actually a cool city that way. Seen from above everything is basically laid out in spiderweb shape and there isn't really the kind of sprawl you see in other cities. Also, if I got this address right (see massive google maps link below), Web's Chengdu center is right within the 2nd ring road, so if you're anywhere on the south side of the city (and if you're a foreigner you likely will be), I don't see any commute taking more than 15-20 mins.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%9B%9B%E5%B7%9D%E7%9C%81%E6%88%90%E9%83%BD%E5%B8%82%E7%BA%A2%E6%98%9F%E8%B7%AF16%E5%8F%B7&sll=30.652976,104.075546&sspn=0.069112,0.108662&ie=UTF8&hq=%E4%B8%80%E7%8E%AF%E8%B7%AF%E5%8D%97%E4%B8%80%E6%AE%B516%E5%8F%B7%E9%99%A2&hnear=China+Sichuan+Chengdu+Wu+Hou+Qu+Yi+Huan+Lu+Nan+Yi+Duan+16%E5%8F%B7%E4%B8%80%E7%8E%AF%E8%B7%AF%E5%8D%97%E4%B8%80%E6%AE%B516%E5%8F%B7%E9%99%A2&t=h&z=14
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Steve C.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the spirit. Ideally, you get scheduled to have your "off" hour between 4 and 5pm = 2 hour lunch! When that didn't happen, I generally just read a book or bullshitted with the students and staff during the hour. What did irk me was having that "off" hour scheduled for the 2pm class = if they had simply called me, I would have arrived at 2pm instead of 1pm. The same even more so for the Sat. or Sunday morning class.

Keep in my mind, the center I worked at was small and these things happened sometimes. I doubt it happens often at Web in Chengdu, especially if the center in question is the only Web training center in town.

6 to 9pm would definitely be full, unless it is a small center and students don't book the classes or you are scheduled an "Advanced private" class with just 1 student and they don't show. That was nice sometimes for the 8pm class!

I do think though that most training centers could do things a bit better. At the small center I worked at, they had only 1 foreign teacher working the morning shift and then 3 come in at 1pm and another 1 or 2 at 6pm (Tues. - Thurs.). Imagine 3 guys trying to make copies on an old copy machine at the same time.

If they didn't run out of paper, the machine overheated! If either happened and it was time for a class, the teacher went to the class and the 2 receptionists finished the copies and brought them to the classroom.

Unfortunately, some suggestions fall on deaf hears and the "supervisor" refused to heed my suggestion = have the receptionists make the copies for all of the teachers in the morning between 9am and noon when the center was slow. Supposedly the receptionists were busy with other tasks.

The few times I worked the day shift, most of what I saw them doing was filing their nails, fixing each other's hair and chatting via QQ!!
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askiptochina



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can understand how some people might not be so into that, but at the same time I often wonder why such a person would choose this line of work.


I choose it because I can choose a school, NOT a line of work, where I teach my classes and then go eat hot pot with a Chinese student while WI teachers are in the office. My average is I am in at 1:30pm, and I am out at 6:30 latest (usually 5:30-6:00 depending on when my students show up.) On weekends, 2-7.

I can also go with the Korean students and get bibimbap, bulgolgi, or if lucky samgyeopsal (I admit I haven't yet in China).

Today I had 2 classes canceled and made plans for moving to a new apartment. Can you do that during the 15 hour office time? Would they allow it? At previous schools with this 40 hour rule, that would come with a warning not to do it again.

Call me crazy, but I am much happier going out with my students and enjoying my time visiting people and places. Students usually go home or they are out somewhere. They don't want to be at the school if they can go out with their teacher.

They tend to be more relaxed away from school, and they aren't worried so much about making mistakes. They talk more freely since I am not there because it's my job. I am there because I am genuinely interested in getting to know them and find out about their culture.

I am not good and haggling, and one student in particular helps me out to get good deals. Can you do that in the office?
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