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celtite



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:46 am    Post subject: Just go? (advice needed) Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

I have recently received CELTA certification and looking to work in Krakow or Katowice. Despite the lack of job postings for ESL teachers in Poland, I'm told they are needed there.

I have the base to get me there and support myself 'til i'm in - do I just go? I'm being influenced to do that but just seems so risky.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
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dynow



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first and foremost, are you a native speaker? that will make things much easier. if in fact you are, going to Krakow makes you just a number. Krakow is flooded with native speakers and the ESL market is hurtin' these days.

what are your expecations? what kind of life do you inted to live? some people can squeeze by on 2,000/month, others need 5,000.

do you have money to start you off?

where are you from? if you're an EU citizen, paperwork is easier (and probably cheaper) than say for an Australian or American.
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celtite



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response,

Yes I am a Native speaker, from Canada actually. I would like to be in either Krakow or Katowice, but not exclusively. I am open to other options.

From what I've been told by the consulate, to get the Schengen visa from here, the crucial element is a financial base, which I do have. Enough to start me off there.

I'm not looking to be rich, but to make enough to get by and be able to pay off loans at the same time. If my interest was to make a ton of money I'm sure I could find work elsewhere with the CELTA. But my interest is being in Poland.

Again thanks for the response. Any further advice would be awesome!
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

be able to pay off loans at the same time.

That's very possibly a deal-breaker. It's near-impossible to make extra money in this region.... above a subsistence living. As a newbie, without local reputation and connections, especially.

Can we ask roughly what kind of monthly payments you're facing?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You automatically get 90 days in the zone on tourist status. It's not a Schengen visa you need to stay and work. It's Poland-specific documents. Nothing will get you a right to work in the entire zone.... (google Schengen zone for a list of member countries).
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celtite



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for the responses.

Well, Poland is the ideal, but maybe I might have to try my luck elsewhere..for now.

I have minimum monthly student loan payments, like bare minimum. But if all I can look forward to in Poland is bread, butter, the occasional sausage, and still not make enough to pay bare minimum student loan payments....yeah thinking of following up on a few Asian connections.

Again I appreciate the response, although it is only one opinion. If any others can confirm or contest that a CELTA trained teacher will only make enough to barely survive in Poland...please do so.

Thanks again!
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maniak



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

celtite wrote:

I have minimum monthly student loan payments, like bare minimum. But if all I can look forward to in Poland is bread, butter, the occasional sausage, and still not make enough to pay bare minimum student loan payments....yeah thinking of following up on a few Asian connections.

Thanks again!


yea youll make enough to survive if you can hack being an esl teacher.
i dont know how youll pay off the loans hough, youll be getting paid in zlotys and international wire transfers are expensive.
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dynow



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i simply see no reason for you to go to poland, based on what you're saying.

hell, 1 year in Korea, and you could probably put away enough money to pay off your student loan in its entirety.

if i was single and 5 years younger, i'd probably do a 1 year stint in korea, if anything for the food and the money.
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maniak



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dynow wrote:
i simply see no reason for you to go to poland, based on what you're saying.

hell, 1 year in Korea, and you could probably put away enough money to pay off your student loan in its entirety.


any idea of how 'good' the money is dynow? im thinking of taking next year off from poland to go back to states and make some dough for a new car, but id rather go somewhere interesting and bum it out for a year if teaching can pay that well.

btw any luck selling your apartment?
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dynow



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maniak wrote:

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any idea of how 'good' the money is dynow? im thinking of taking next year off from poland to go back to states and make some dough for a new car, but id rather go somewhere interesting and bum it out for a year if teaching can pay that well.


i have a good idea, yes. just about every contract I read from jobs in Korea provide free airfare to Korea and back, accommodation paid, cell phone provided and paid for, with guaranteed lessons every week, along with 1 month's severance pay once you complete the contract. the contracts only go as long as the school year, so 9-10 months. vacation time is also paid.

My old roommate was Korean and I got a lot of inside scoops about Korea in general, but I spoke with a guy a couple years ago, native speaker, who did a 1 year stint in Korea teaching English. basically what he told me is that he partied like a rock star, ate out just about every night, and still came home with $10,000. not to mention private lessons in Korea are paid very very well. Korean families essentially put everything they have into their children to secure their futures.

Maniak wrote:


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btw any luck selling your apartment?


yeah, the apt. is sold. we dropped the price and we had people knocking on our door immediately.
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celtite



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all very much for your input and advice. Really appreciate that.

Cheers!
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Blasphemer



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dynow wrote:
maniak wrote:

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any idea of how 'good' the money is dynow? im thinking of taking next year off from poland to go back to states and make some dough for a new car, but id rather go somewhere interesting and bum it out for a year if teaching can pay that well.


i have a good idea, yes. just about every contract I read from jobs in Korea provide free airfare to Korea and back, accommodation paid, cell phone provided and paid for, with guaranteed lessons every week, along with 1 month's severance pay once you complete the contract. the contracts only go as long as the school year, so 9-10 months. vacation time is also paid.

My old roommate was Korean and I got a lot of inside scoops about Korea in general, but I spoke with a guy a couple years ago, native speaker, who did a 1 year stint in Korea teaching English. basically what he told me is that he partied like a rock star, ate out just about every night, and still came home with $10,000. not to mention private lessons in Korea are paid very very well. Korean families essentially put everything they have into their children to secure their futures.

Maniak wrote:


Quote:
btw any luck selling your apartment?


yeah, the apt. is sold. we dropped the price and we had people knocking on our door immediately.



wow... this is exactly what you sounded like when you were coming to Poland.
Couple of my CELTA partners ended up in Korea right after finishing up with the course... both left Korea in a SERIOUS hurry. I guess there are two sides to every story. Grass is always greener and all that jazz...
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blasphemer wrote:
wow... this is exactly what you sounded like when you were coming to Poland.
Couple of my CELTA partners ended up in Korea right after finishing up with the course... both left Korea in a SERIOUS hurry. I guess there are two sides to every story. Grass is always greener and all that jazz...


I know there is good money to be made in Korea.

But I cannot think of a single teacher I've met who taught there and liked it very much. Everyone left after one year and some didn't even last that long.

Shady schools, contracts that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, being constantly overworked, mediocre food, rude people, etc. were the most common complaints.

Korea? no way.

Japan? Could do, at least for a year.
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micchan



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a friend from USA who's in Korea right now teaching at some kindergarten. She has paid return airfare, completion bonus, paid housing.

She seems to be enjoying herself there, and there are plenty of fellow Americans so she's not too lonely. Also helps that she speaks Korean too, I guess.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
I know there is good money to be made in Korea.

But I cannot think of a single teacher I've met who taught there and liked it very much. Everyone left after one year and some didn't even last that long.

Shady schools, contracts that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, being constantly overworked, mediocre food, rude people, etc. were the most common complaints.

Korea? no way.

Japan? Could do, at least for a year.

I for one love it! It really really depends on your job though. I think that's the same everywhere.

For example, let's say there are two people working in ABC country.
Person A has to work 30 hours a week for 50 weeks a year
Person B has to work 15 hours a week for 32 weeks of the year

Who do you think will like this country if everything, housing, boss, etc, is the same? Who do you think will renew?

Good jobs can be had everywhere. If you have one, you stay.
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