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johnshoe118
Joined: 29 Sep 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: PICKING an Asia country to work in? |
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Hello All,
I am a college grad seeking to live abroad, utilizing teaching as the means to do so.
I am finding the location to teach a difficult task to get through.
What I am looking for is a few people to give me a country by country breakdown. I'm looking for those who can explain the essence of a country- It's people (attitudes towards foreigner is a big one), culture (food, daily acitivites, attitudes, values), pros and cons, and so on.
I need to make $, so a special focus on MOD EDIT Taiwan, Japan, China would be appreciated ( from what I understand, salary+benefits are in the order stated above [best to worst]).
My brief amount of research thus far indicates to me that:
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Taiwan - Weather is excellent. People are friendly, more excited to meet foreigners. Culture I am unsure of, very industrial place = pollution. Small island with nice trips to southern beaches, but elsewise normal activites (hiking , karoake?). Complaint from most is that it lacks the 'exotic'. MOD EDIT
Japan - Weather? People are a mixed bag. Very exciting to live and explore. Culture is super rich. COL is expensive.More difficult to get a job.Bottom line - Japan is a great place but is pricey and require high lv language proficiency to teach. Learning Japanese is a def plus
China - Weather is good. people are mixed. Culture is rich. Industrial = pollution. Lots to explore in large country.Wages low-moderate. COL low. Learn Chinese ++
That is just my very quick rundown. I obviously missed important aspects of choosing a location. I am open to anything, though $ is somewhat limiting.
If anyone has first hand experience and would like to share - I am very appreciative! I have lived abroad before, and it is dificult to describe the vibe, the feel of a place, but somehow I am asking for the basic Q's to e answered along with this 'vibe' question
Thanks so much
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: PICKING an Asia country to work in? |
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johnshoe118 wrote: |
What I am looking for is a few people to give me a country by country breakdown. I'm looking for those who can explain the essence of a country- It's people (attitudes towards foreigner is a big one), culture (food, daily acitivites, attitudes, values), pros and cons, and so on.
I need to make $, so a special focus on MOD EDIT Taiwan, Japan, China would be appreciated ( from what I understand, salary+benefits are in the order stated above [best to worst]). |
What exactly does "need to make $" mean. How much per month are you looking at for debt right now, or do you mean your brand of comfortable living? Give us something to go on here.
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My brief amount of research thus far indicates to me that:
Japan - Weather? People are a mixed bag. Very exciting to live and explore. Culture is super rich. COL is expensive.More difficult to get a job.Bottom line - Japan is a great place but is pricey and require high lv language proficiency to teach. Learning Japanese is a def plus |
Weather in Japan varies with the region, as it will with a huge place such as China. In Japan you can find the northern island of Hokkaido with pleasant summers, no rainy season, and winters with plenty of snow and temps as low as -20C to -30C in some places. On the southern islands of Okinawa it's much different. Do a general search on the internet for Japan's climate. What you need to know from expats is how they live in such conditions. Building insulation is not the greatest here, and central heating is pretty much nonexistent, so apartments have kerosene space heaters a lot (and you can't run them while you are gone because of the earthquake risk).
People. Yes, mixed bag, as you'll find everywhere. Country folks are nice and hospitable. Most people have had 6 years of JHS/HS English, but they can hardly speak a word of it. Most have a curiosity about foreigners but may never have seen one in person. Government tolerates us and is slow to change its policies in our favor. Foreigners do marry into the population, and it's case by case how you will be treated.
Japan is no more expensive to live in than a lot of places. Big cities like Tokyo are as expensive as New York City or London, but that should be no surprise. Housing is your biggest cost, and gasoline prices are very high, but you usually won't need a car anyway. Some fruits and vegies and meats are high, but careful shopping is not that hard. See my Japan thread on "cheapskates" for ways around the cost of living.
The biggest thing you should realize is that the English industry in Japan is not in the best shape. The 2 biggest conversation schools went bankrupt, many others are failing, the population is in a decline so universities are merging or closing, and the general trend is to hire people on 3-year contracts. So, things are very competitive here. |
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johnshoe118
Joined: 29 Sep 2010 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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In terms of making $.. I was refering to the salary offered in comparison to the cost of living. While Japan might pay.. say.. 2000USD per month, so does Taiwan, yet Taiwan has a cheaper COL.
If I can sock away a few thousand dollars at the end of the year..say 5k-10k.. that would be great.
Need ot be able to write a $300 check each month at least. |
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darkmarsh77
Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 16
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:04 am Post subject: |
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From what I have discover through researching, China will not be the best choice for trying to save some money. Salaries are just way too low, especially if you aren't there to negotiate better terms. |
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darkmarsh77
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From what I have discover through researching, China will not be the best choice for trying to save some money. Salaries are just way too low, especially if you aren't there to negotiate better terms. |
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darkmarsh77
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From what I have discover through researching, China will not be the best choice for trying to save some money. Salaries are just way too low, especially if you aren't there to negotiate better terms. |
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kotoko
Joined: 22 Jun 2010 Posts: 109
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Currently I'm deciding what to do next year when I leave Japan, and a big thing for me (and might be something for you to consider too) is job safety and visa handling. From what I gather, in Korea, your visa is not your property so if you and your boss don't see eye to eye, you could get into a bit of a pickle. In China too, I have heard many horror stories of jobs and living sitations not being as they were on the advert. Taiwan is probably (from my point of view) safer job wise than China or Korea but there are rules (like no teaching kindergarten kids) that are ignored on a regular basis. Play by the rules and you can hinder yourself and your money making potential, but break the rules and you'll be scared if the police come sniffing round. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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johnshoe118 wrote: |
While Japan might pay.. say.. 2000USD per month, so does Taiwan, yet Taiwan has a cheaper COL. |
At today's exchange rate, a basic starting salary of 250,000 yen = US$3000.
As for cost of living, you can save quite a bit living in a rural area even in Japan. How much did you hope to save? What are your current outgoing expenses? You have not answered my earlier question:
What exactly does "need to make $" mean? |
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