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kylemcgee



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:35 am    Post subject: Survey: Type of School, Teaching Hours, Holidays, Salary Reply with quote

Hello -

I have been asked to do a quick survey to find out about the schools in Oman. I am mostly interested in colleges, but all school info is welcome. Please respond with:

School name: Name of institution
Your School type: Secondary, College, etc.
Your teaching hours: How many hours of teaching a week.
Holidays: How many holidays (vacation days) you get a year.
Salary: Average salary.

I'll try to post a summary for all to read!

Thanks!

Kyle
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kylemcgee



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Did I say something wrong? Reply with quote

Hmmm.. 87 views, but no responses. Can I ask for round numbers? Or you can leave out info (eg. college name) if you don't know it or don't feel comfortable sharing.


Just for your info:

Our school is Oman College of Management & Technology
MA Holders (Native Speakers) are paid OR 1100 (total package)
18 Hours a week, but some classes are considered 'lab' classes and are paid less (2/3 normal)
48 Days of vacation

I'm trying to get the conditions improved, so any info about other colleges would be helpful. We would at least like the 'lab' policy changed, but it's hard to justify without info.

Please, I need your help.. Smile

Kyle
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the lab hours can be considered at a lesser rate - are they actually doing anything except supervising students at the computer? Is there prep involved, marking, "contact" meaning sustained interaction and presentation with the group?

It might be considered a bit cheap, but fair none the less.

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007



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Did I say something wrong? Reply with quote

kylemcgee wrote:
I'm trying to get the conditions improved, so any info about other colleges would be helpful. We would at least like the 'lab' policy changed, but it's hard to justify without info.

Please, I need your help.. Smile

Kyle

Well, if you did a search in the internet, and without asking anybody from other oman colleges/schools, you will find that your college is in the bottom of the list (bad news! Laughing ), this is at least according to 2010 University Web Ranking (see link below):
http://www.4icu.org/om/

I wonder what the 'Quality Assurance' centre of Yarmouk University (Jordan) is doing to improve the situation of the college?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Did I say something wrong? Reply with quote

007 wrote:
kylemcgee wrote:
I'm trying to get the conditions improved, so any info about other colleges would be helpful. We would at least like the 'lab' policy changed, but it's hard to justify without info.

Please, I need your help.. Smile

Kyle

Well, if you did a search in the internet, and without asking anybody from other oman colleges/schools, you will find that your college is in the bottom of the list (bad news! Laughing ), this is at least according to 2010 University Web Ranking (see link below):
http://www.4icu.org/om/

I wonder what the 'Quality Assurance' centre of Yarmouk University (Jordan) is doing to improve the situation of the college?


The college ranking isn't really relevant to the survey. I am merely trying to find out other colleges and their practices in Oman. This information can help me get the current policies change which may bring better teachers, and perhaps even improve the ranking. Smile

Kyle
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 tends to post irrelevancies rather than actually helpful answers. It's his "style." Laughing

I have never heard of paying a different hourly rate for different classes... unless you are talking about an adjunct being paid hourly. But, you have quoted a salary. In every contract I have worked with in Oman or otherwise, you are paid your salary and are around the office for X number of hours... have X number of contact hours... X number of office hours. I don't see how you can "pay" someone "less" for lab hours when they are being paid a "salary" of 1100 a month. (and yes, that is pretty low for an MA... the other colleges are paying that for BA+CELTA+a few years of experience.)

From what I have heard, vacation pay varies from 6 weeks to 2 months, plus a semester break, and the usual national holidays. That has stayed pretty constant over the years. Teaching hours seems to vary from 18 to low 20s depending on student number to staff ratios.

So, I'd say that your pay is very low (especially when an MA can get $3500-4000 to start in the UAE with some decent experience)... teaching hours to the low side... and summer break sounds to the low end. (if it is calendar days, not work days). The whole lab thing is bizarre and have never heard of any employer doing it.

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kylemcgee



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
007 tends to post irrelevancies rather than actually helpful answers. It's his "style." Laughing

I have never heard of paying a different hourly rate for different classes... unless you are talking about an adjunct being paid hourly. But, you have quoted a salary. In every contract I have worked with in Oman or otherwise, you are paid your salary and are around the office for X number of hours... have X number of contact hours... X number of office hours. I don't see how you can "pay" someone "less" for lab hours when they are being paid a "salary" of 1100 a month. (and yes, that is pretty low for an MA... the other colleges are paying that for BA+CELTA+a few years of experience.)

From what I have heard, vacation pay varies from 6 weeks to 2 months, plus a semester break, and the usual national holidays. That has stayed pretty constant over the years. Teaching hours seems to vary from 18 to low 20s depending on student number to staff ratios.

So, I'd say that your pay is very low (especially when an MA can get $3500-4000 to start in the UAE with some decent experience)... teaching hours to the low side... and summer break sounds to the low end. (if it is calendar days, not work days). The whole lab thing is bizarre and have never heard of any employer doing it.

VS


Thanks for the reply. Yes, the LAB policy is quite bizarre. What happens is teachers have 5 types of classes - Core class (General English), Writing class, Reading class, Listening class, and Speaking class.

The school has defined the Listening & speaking classes as 'LAB' classes and only counts them as 2/3 of an hour. So a 3 hour core class is worth 3 hours, but a 3 hour listening class is only worth 2 hours. So, a teacher teaching 21 hours a week is only fulfilling his contract of 18 hours (assuming 3 LAB classes).

I am the only native speaker on staff, the other non-natives are paid less even though they are more experienced than me. I understand and appreciate that the UAE may pay more money, but I really need to compare apples to apples. The salary in Oman is not great (others pay up to OR 1400 from what I have been offered), but not terrible (others pay OR 900-1000).

So, any salary, vacation, hour info I can get will help me make the case to have the policy changed. The dean seems convinced they are paying a reasonable amount and he believes many other colleges have 21 hours anyways.

The more info I have, the better case I can make, so please let me know any info you have. Smile

Thanks!

Kyle
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that the UAE is only a three hour drive away... so it is not quite apples and oranges... it is more macintosh vs red delicious. Cool If one can get $4000 and live in Al-Ain... driving to Oman every weekend to camp and hike... why would one take $2800?

And... at both university level employers that I worked for in Oman, teachers were paid by their education and experience... not by the color of their skin, passport, or whether they were a "native" speaker or not. I find this policy disgusting.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am the only native speaker on staff, the other non-natives are paid less even though they are more experienced than me.

Well, if this is the policy of the college in paying the staff according to their eyes colour, then this college is not improving and will not improve until staff are treated equally.

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at both university level employers that I worked for in Oman, teachers were paid by their education and experience... not by the color of their skin, passport, or whether they were a "native" speaker or not. I find this policy disgusting.

This policy is not only disgusting, is frustrating and sour-tasting! Laughing
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kylemcgee



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 wrote:
Quote:
I am the only native speaker on staff, the other non-natives are paid less even though they are more experienced than me.

Well, if this is the policy of the college in paying the staff according to their eyes colour, then this college is not improving and will not improve until staff are treated equally.

Quote:
at both university level employers that I worked for in Oman, teachers were paid by their education and experience... not by the color of their skin, passport, or whether they were a "native" speaker or not. I find this policy disgusting.

This policy is not only disgusting, is frustrating and sour-tasting! Laughing


I agree the policy is bad. I am not teaching any of the lab classes to avoid this myself. However, the other teachers are stuck.. Sad And it makes no sense as I am the only native speaker and the Ss would benefit most from my accent..

But, what to do!??

More info from more people would be great. Please post replies people! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Remember that the UAE is only a three hour drive away... so it is not quite apples and oranges... it is more macintosh vs red delicious. Cool If one can get $4000 and live in Al-Ain... driving to Oman every weekend to camp and hike... why would one take $2800?

And... at both university level employers that I worked for in Oman, teachers were paid by their education and experience... not by the color of their skin, passport, or whether they were a "native" speaker or not. I find this policy disgusting.

VS


VS, while you're may have worked with those who paid everyone of color/background equally, there are quite a number of universities/colleges in Oman that do not. As you know this is not only true in Oman, but in many other ME countries.

And yes, it is disgusting..

F/y/i: UoN pays 1,050 for MA (regardless of what type of MA it is). Applied Sciences (Nizwa) actually paid less up until very very recently (though I believe that it is now either on par or better these days). In addition, the 1,380 that the Techs pay (sorry I mean those agencies who hire for the MoM) for BA or MA conferred ESL instructors is inclusive of accommodation allowance. Allowing that average 2-bedroom apt in Nizwa currently rents for between 150 (if you're lucky) to 200 OMR per month, then even that salary is almost on par with the near 1,100OMR that is being paid by most Omani 3rd level institutions these days.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

happyroofus wrote:
veiledsentiments wrote:
Remember that the UAE is only a three hour drive away... so it is not quite apples and oranges... it is more macintosh vs red delicious. Cool If one can get $4000 and live in Al-Ain... driving to Oman every weekend to camp and hike... why would one take $2800?

And... at both university level employers that I worked for in Oman, teachers were paid by their education and experience... not by the color of their skin, passport, or whether they were a "native" speaker or not. I find this policy disgusting.

VS


VS, while you're may have worked with those who paid everyone of color/background equally, there are quite a number of universities/colleges in Oman that do not. As you know this is not only true in Oman, but in many other ME countries.

And yes, it is disgusting..

F/y/i: UoN pays 1,050 for MA (regardless of what type of MA it is). Applied Sciences (Nizwa) actually paid less up until very very recently (though I believe that it is now either on par or better these days). In addition, the 1,380 that the Techs pay (sorry I mean those agencies who hire for the MoM) for BA or MA conferred ESL instructors is inclusive of accommodation allowance. Allowing that average 2-bedroom apt in Nizwa currently rents for between 150 (if you're lucky) to 200 OMR per month, then even that salary is almost on par with the near 1,100OMR that is being paid by most Omani 3rd level institutions these days.

R


Cool.. Thanks for the info..

Any more info would be welcome..
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happyroofus wrote:
VS, while you're may have worked with those who paid everyone of color/background equally, there are quite a number of universities/colleges in Oman that do not. As you know this is not only true in Oman, but in many other ME countries.

So... name them and shame them!! Cool

VS
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