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missy29
Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 2 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: Teaching abroad with a baby |
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Hello everyone
Needing some advice. I am currently teaching English at a language school in a small city in China. Have recently found out I'm expecting my first child with my ex-boyfriend. I'm planning on going back to the UK to have the baby and then would like to return back to China or to another country to start teaching again. I have completed a TESOL diploma and will have 7-8 months teaching experience when I leave.
Just wondering how employers will feel about a potential employee with a young child? Will it affect my chances of working abroad again?
Any advice would be much appreciated
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I would say it would make a lot of difference. They would have warranted concerns about daycare (especially if the country doesn't have much) and you taking time off for a sick child. |
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queenbee
Joined: 22 Oct 2010 Posts: 3
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have been wondering the same and am finding that while I have the qualifications when mentioning that I have a 17 month old it becomes a turn off to overseas employers.
Many just don't want teachers with baby in tow. Most want single (no dependents) or couples (no dependents) which is understandable but for me frustrating.
*le sigh** |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose if the market weren't currently in favour of employers (there are lots of teachers around in general these days) a baby or two might make less difference in terms of new hires.
On the aspect of after being hired, I have to say that I work on a team with a couple of parents of small kids. One is absolutely great in terms of carrying the normal workload in a reliable way - and one is absolute crap in this sense. It can get really tricky in terms of how you are perceived by work colleagues. |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad with a baby |
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missy29 wrote: |
Hello everyone
Needing some advice. I am currently teaching English at a language school in a small city in China. Have recently found out I'm expecting my first child with my ex-boyfriend. I'm planning on going back to the UK to have the baby and then would like to return back to China or to another country to start teaching again. I have completed a TESOL diploma and will have 7-8 months teaching experience when I leave.
Just wondering how employers will feel about a potential employee with a young child? Will it affect my chances of working abroad again?
Any advice would be much appreciated
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You have 2 strikes against you.
1) You only have a TESOL diploma (you didn't mention a degree in anything).
This vastly limits the countries available to you for consideration.
With that in mind there is:
2) The fact that you are a single parent is a problem as well. There are daycare issues to consider and an employer will certainly take those into consideration when looking at a potential foreign employee (more so than a domestic employee).
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missy29
Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Posts: 2 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I have a BSc Degree in Psychology also. I'm thinking about doing a PGCE when the baby is abit older too. Hopefully this will increase my chances.
I've heard the Gulf is a good place to teach with young children. So, my next question - has anybody (young mothers) been successful with securing a job overseas with a young child?
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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missy29 wrote: |
I have a BSc Degree in Psychology also. I'm thinking about doing a PGCE when the baby is abit older too. Hopefully this will increase my chances.
I've heard the Gulf is a good place to teach with young children. So, my next question - has anybody (young mothers) been successful with securing a job overseas with a young child?
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Having a degree in addition to the TESOL (diploma or cert?) makes a large difference.
Next query would be who do you want to teach?
IF you are looking at post secondary positions then a MATESOL would be in your future.
IF you want to work at an "International (IB / etc) school then a PGCE (and home country certification/licensing) would be in your future.
If you want to work at a "public school" abroad (as an English / ESL teacher) as compared to an "international" school then your current qualifications and experience will land you a position in most countries.
Landing a position from abroad (as a single mom) will be more difficult than doing it in-country (where ever you choose) but it is not impossible.
It will be difficult in the middle east as a single mom. It will be easier in SE Asia and you can still get a decent salary (on the order of 950-1100 pounds/mo. + benefits) with your qualifications. Daycare is also affordable.
Teaching abroad with a small one is certainly do-able (even on a teachers salary) - been there done that so don't let them convince you it can't be done. It just takes a bit more work to get settled and a bit less of a social life (but kids will do that to you anywhere).
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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tttompatz wrote: |
If you want to work at a "public school" abroad (as an English / ESL teacher) as compared to an "international" school then your current qualifications and experience will land you a position in most countries. |
In Japan, that would mean only as an ALT, not as a solo teacher. Is that what you meant, ttompatz? |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
tttompatz wrote: |
If you want to work at a "public school" abroad (as an English / ESL teacher) as compared to an "international" school then your current qualifications and experience will land you a position in most countries. |
In Japan, that would mean only as an ALT, not as a solo teacher. Is that what you meant, ttompatz? |
Actually, NO.
I meant working as a teacher in "public or private schools" not in the IB / international stream (which would require home country certification) in places like Thailand, Korea, and China (large teacher markets).
Japan is over-rated at best and NOT a place that would be "friendly" to a single mom trying to make it on a "teacher's" salary. It is hard to find work, harder if you have complicating factors, and expensive to get started. Daycare for a little one who is not Japanese would be a killer factor.
I would NOT recommend Japan as a place to head if you have a young child.
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have a four month old and I am currently on maternity leave.
I would strongly advise that you wait until the baby is born to decide what you would like to do & where you would like to go. It's very easy to try and plan these things in advance but life does not work that way, especially as a single mother.
Yes, the Middle East is very family friendly however you are a single unmarried mother without the ME standard qualifications. The judgment can be a bit harsh (I am also an unmarried mother!) in many places - Korea, China, etc. the ME would be even worse as you can imagine. I do recall knowing a single mother in Egypt, but she was not an EFL teacher (scuba instructor). I'm not sure how she dealt with the school/daycare issue.
Trying for a PGCE and getting some experience would be a much better long-term solution for you and your child. The experience and PGCE would allow you to get a better job overseas and would make life less stressful in many ways.
Good luck to you! I was planning on getting my MA in TESOL but that's on hold as well because of the baby. Long-term solutions are really the best option when a child is involved, especially if you are a single parent, just for the security it affords. |
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queenbee
Joined: 22 Oct 2010 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Any recommendations on "single mom" friendly countries? Thanks. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Pay in the Euro region is very rarely enough to afford child care, unless you've the right passport (UK) and upper level qualifications to land a (rare) university position.
I wouldn't say this region is especially friendly to single parents at all, in 95% of cases. |
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