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Chi Ki Bhoi



Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Salary Advice Reply with quote

Hi folks,

I was wondering whether anyone would be willing to give some advice on my situation-I'd appreciate it immensely.

After working in France for several years after my undergrad degree, I completed the CELTA, taught in China for two years at a public university came back to the UK, did my Post-Grad teaching certification (English Literature/Language) and completed my NQT year. Jobs are practically non-existent at the moment and any interview that I do get, I end up losing out to someone who has done supply work for several years and has more experience.

Now, I know that the forums are for ESL teaching, but I've been looking into teaching in international schools since I have a full teaching certification and I've decided that I have no real desire to stay in the U.K. but to instead work abroad for the foreseeable future. There are very few positions at this moment in time since the academic year has already started, but one has recently come up in Moscow.

The school is relatively new and is by no means first-tier, but I would like to ask the forum's opinion on the salary/benefits and whether this would be sufficient for a guy in his late 20s not living the high life. I have been quoted a salary between 70k-90k roubles ($2269-$2917) a month after tax, annual flights, (free) shared accommodation and health insurance.

I've done as much research from reading these forums and searching the net as I possibly can and as a result I'm fully cognizant of the fact that the salary is by no means stellar (though I know that a good many live on less than this, it's not like I've just walked out of university and snagged a job at a McSchool) and accommodation can be a gamble (and slightly worse since most good international schools offer single occupancy).

I'm in contact with a more established school in Jakarta which has slightly better benefits for a January start and which may or may not come to fruition (I'm still being considered); so, I'm hoping the forum can see my predicament. I would love to work in Moscow at some point in my career but it would obviously be better if it were at one of the more established international schools.

So, to cut to the chase-would I be able to live (reasonably) well in Moscow on that wage? I'm not looking to save a lot, but I would be looking to put something away each month since the clock ticks ever on. Or, in the forum's opinion, would I be better to wait and find out about the Jakarta job, then come back a few years later when I have more experience and money wouldn't be as much of a problem?

Apologies for the rambling nature of this post and thanks to anyone who can offer any words of wisdom!
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Houston



Joined: 04 Apr 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

80-90k salary is very good for someone in their 20s in Moscow, especially if they're paying for accommodation. You may want to ask them if they offer accommodation assistance rather than shared accommodation though. You could easily get a decent flat of your own on that kind of salary.
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Chi Ki Bhoi



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Houston.

I was just anxious from the way people speak about the cost of living in Moscow on the net that I wouldn't be living particularly comfortably on that wage, but clearly I would be, so thanks for pointing that out.

I'm not entirely sure they would consider giving me a housing allowance, but I'll definitely give it a try-nothing ventured, nothing gained, I suppose!
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jpvanderwerf2001



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many hours do they expect you to teach per week for that salary? If the hours aren't too outrageous you can surely find private students and perhaps--*gasp*--save some cash!
I think that's enough to live fairly comfortably in Moscow, especially if your accommodation is taken care of.
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Houston



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moscow is not that expensive to live in unless you're big into the consumer lifestyle, and you want a modern updated apartment near the city center.
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Chi Ki Bhoi



Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpvanderwerf2001 wrote:
How many hours do they expect you to teach per week for that salary? If the hours aren't too outrageous you can surely find private students and perhaps--*gasp*--save some cash!


As it's an international school, I'll be teaching around 20-25 contact hours per week; this doesn't seem like very much, but along with the various other duties that working in an international school entails, I wouldn't be that enthusiastic about teaching English language in my free time. That, and a portion of that free time would also be taken up with IGCSE essay/folio marking. If school life was relatively easy and I adjusted to living in Moscow quite quickly, I wouldn't rule it out, though.

Houston wrote:
unless you're big into the consumer lifestyle, and you want a modern updated apartment near the city center.


In retrospect, when I lived in Beijing I managed a comfortable existence on relatively little pay about a 30 minute bus-ride from the centre. It didn't bother me in the slightest and, in fact, I found it more interesting as many expats in the city centre had a sense of entitlement and pretension that I found embarrassing. Don't get me wrong-I'm on the cusp of my 30s with decent qualifications and would like to have nice things from time to time, but I don't equate happiness, nor success, with the amount of garbage I manage to accumulate or the prestige of living in a certain area and trying to keep up with the Joneses. Just my two cents.

Anyway, it's good to hear both your opinions; they've gone some way to allaying my fears about going!
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Peg Leg Pete



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The salary is ok, as others have already suggested. If you are only going to be here for a period of time, rather than laying down some roots, then I'd say it was a good deal.

Hope it works out for you, and that the experience you gain will be of some use in your future-I really hope that this is so, otherwise it does say rather negative things about home Sad
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Chi Ki Bhoi



Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peg Leg Pete wrote:
The salary is ok, as others have already suggested. If you are only going to be here for a period of time, rather than laying down some roots, then I'd say it was a good deal.


Pete-my plans at this stage are only to stay for a couple of years; if I were to consider staying in the long term, I would apply for a lucrative position in a more established international school in the capital. Some schools offer significant benefits and it's only because this is my first (English National curriculum) posting abroad that I'd be taking a hit.

Peg Leg Pete wrote:
Hope it works out for you, and that the experience you gain will be of some use in your future-I really hope that this is so, otherwise it does say rather negative things about home Sad


Thanks, I really appreciate that! Once I have a couple of years behind me, I will be able to use it, like I mentioned briefly before, to further my career in international education as that's where I see my future. While I wouldn't criticise anyone for wanting to live in the UK on a permanent basis, I can't say it's for me.

Whereabouts are you from in the UK, Pete? Perhaps I should have stated more clearly in my original post that the lack of employment in the UK (and specifically North of the Border, in my case) is specific to state school teaching, not the whole jobs market. Though in saying that, with the recent overhaul of the public sector's budget, it's going to get a lot worse in the next few years. Whether the private sector will manage to pull the UK out of this mess by providing jobs remains to be seen. Apologies if I come across as a bit of a pessimist-it's just not a pretty picture from where I'm sitting.
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Peg Leg Pete



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't call it pessimistic. Realistic would be nearer the mark.

Originally from London, but I've been away for so long now I doubt I'd know the place.

If you stay for a couple of years you might find that taking a few private lessons will help you further, and might get you some useful contacts.

I've been in Moscow about 4 years and am here for the long term.
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anubistaima



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Location: Thailand

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most expensive part of living in Russia is the rent. If you have that covered, you'll be fine.
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