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nomad-ish



Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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Location: Moving up the food chain!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:22 am    Post subject: Work advice please! Reply with quote

hi, i was hoping someone could give me some working-in-china advice. i was thinking of taking on a contract in august 2011 and was wondering what my best bet was.

here are my qualifications:
-BSc in science, MSc in forensic science
-3 years of full-time efl teaching experience in government schools in south korea
-some laboratory work experience (4 months work, 8 months volunteer)

the reason i've added in the laboratory experience is because i'm really hoping to find a position teaching science in english in a college/university. i came across a past job opening for a science position at nanchang(?) medical college, so i started hoping that there are similar positions occasionally, and this wasn't just a very rare occurrence.

just in case this is very rare, what is my best bet in terms of saving money and/or not working extremely long hours?

i really hope someone can help me out here! thanks in advance
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7969



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong

PostPosted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

most jobs involve oral english. there are other jobs out there, that are a bit more "specialized" and perhaps more interesting (mine is) but you need to dig a bit more to find those ones.

you'd better decide what you want more - save money or work less. you can't really have both at least not initially.

saving money means more income, which means longer working hours. private language school maybe.

if you want a relatively stress free year with a light work schedule but still make a decent salary (less saving potential though) then go for that. university job.

establish a goal then find the job that fits your needs. anyway you've got plenty of time, hiring for next august will begin in may next year.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks! i think i'll head the university route then since i'll probably have a good amount of savings from my last job. i'm also hoping that they'll let me use their labs for research if i go with a uni position Very Happy i'll start looking in april/may then!
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea if research is what you seek, hit up a uni, but make sure they know you have some scientific ideas you want to look at.
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HiddenTreasure



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your degree and "lab experience" are absolutely meaningless.

You can get a job as a language teacher. You don't have the qualifications for the others in China. Unless you are fluent in Chinese, then you have no real chance of any such non-language related job.

Master degree in an "advanced field" .... so why not get a proper job in your own country?
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mike w



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless you are fluent in Chinese, then you have no real chance of any such non-language related job.


Hmmm ..... strange. I'm nowhere near fluent in Chinese and my job is non-language related (and it's a good job - had it 5 years now).
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HiddenTreasure wrote:
Your degree and "lab experience" are absolutely meaningless.

You can get a job as a language teacher. You don't have the qualifications for the others in China. Unless you are fluent in Chinese, then you have no real chance of any such non-language related job.

Master degree in an "advanced field" .... so why not get a proper job in your own country?


i've actually already come across a couple non-language related jobs in china. i'm not sure exactly how common they are, but they're there.

as for the proper job comment: i really have no desire to live back home, well, at least not yet. for me, it's way too boring.
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mrwslee003



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your qualifications are good. I don't know where you are from, but if you are from GB or N. America, then I think you can get a decent paying job in one of the "off-shore" schools-these are high schools run by Canadians and accredited by various provinces and they must employ qualified teachers. Therefore their remuneration is several times that of a normal language mill.
Then, you can live well AND save some.

Is that what you have in mind?
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrwslee003 wrote:
I think your qualifications are good. I don't know where you are from, but if you are from GB or N. America, then I think you can get a decent paying job in one of the "off-shore" schools-these are high schools run by Canadians and accredited by various provinces and they must employ qualified teachers. Therefore their remuneration is several times that of a normal language mill.
Then, you can live well AND save some.

Is that what you have in mind?


yeah, i know what you're talking about. i'm canadian, but i think a majority (?) of those jobs require home country certification. i'll check again, just in case though. thanks.
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mrwslee003



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you have a master's degree, then you can be accepted as a qualified
independent school teacher, a private institution. I am pretty sure of that.
I am confident you can have that designation and reap the benefits.

I think it would be worth your while to look into "off-shore schools" in the net and see for yourself.

Just contact some of the agents. Good luck!
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mrwslee003



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you have a master's degree, then you can be accepted as a qualified
independent school teacher, a private institution. I am pretty sure of that.
I am confident you can have that designation and reap the benefits.

I think it would be worth your while to look into "off-shore schools" in the net and see for yourself.

Just contact some of the agents. Good luck!
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mrwslee003



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you have a master's degree, then you can be accepted as a qualified
independent school teacher, a private institution. I am confident you can have that designation and reap the benefits.

It may be worth your while to look into "off-shore schools" in the net to make sure.

Just contact the agents. Good luck!
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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HiddenTreasure wrote:
Your degree and "lab experience" are absolutely meaningless.

You can get a job as a language teacher. You don't have the qualifications for the others in China. Unless you are fluent in Chinese, then you have no real chance of any such non-language related job.

Master degree in an "advanced field" .... so why not get a proper job in your own country?


As usual, you are pontificating on matters about which you know little. I was offered a position by a first-tier university in Beijing teaching a substantive subject (which I eventually decided not to accept), and my Chinese is very far from fluent - something I made abundantly clear during the recruitment process.

Simply because you are unable to get 'a non-language job', does not mean that others with superior qualifications and experience cannot either. As to your "..... so why not get a proper job in your own country?" retort, some of us may have broader horizons and windows of opportunity than merely staying in China or going 'home'.
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mat chen



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patty I love this insult. I have had it many times myself. I have a Chinese wife and love living here. So the hard liners from the cultural revolution who learned English reading the big M's little red book in English would say to me."If you love China why don't you go back to your country and go to China town."
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crashintheriver



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PattyFlipper wrote:
HiddenTreasure wrote:
Your degree and "lab experience" are absolutely meaningless.

You can get a job as a language teacher. You don't have the qualifications for the others in China. Unless you are fluent in Chinese, then you have no real chance of any such non-language related job.

Master degree in an "advanced field" .... so why not get a proper job in your own country?


As usual, you are pontificating on matters about which you know little. I was offered a position by a first-tier university in Beijing teaching a substantive subject (which I eventually decided not to accept), and my Chinese is very far from fluent - something I made abundantly clear during the recruitment process.

Simply because you are unable to get 'a non-language job', does not mean that others with superior qualifications and experience cannot either. As to your "..... so why not get a proper job in your own country?" retort, some of us may have broader horizons and windows of opportunity than merely staying in China or going 'home'.


Sounds to me like you have some ego issues that you seem to need to reply to someone in this manner. Kind of funny actually.

Offered just a great job and yet you didn't take it - I think we all know why.

Liar - let's check a dictionary
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