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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: Typical Application |
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This is mostly for teachers either new in Mexico or thinking of teaching in Mexico.
My translations are in (). Apologies upfront if I mistranslated something.
These are actual questions found on many (if not most) applications in Mexican schools (esp. colegios and uni's):
Fotograf�a Reciente (Recent Photo)
Lugar de Nacimiento (Place of birth)
Vive con (Who do you live with?)
sus padres c�nyuge hijos c�nyuge e hijos solo otro___
Estatura Peso (Height/Weight)
Religi�n
cat�lico cristiano otro ______ (No translation needed)
Estado Civil
Soltero casado Divorciado otro ____ (Maritial Status)
Personas que dependen de usted (Who depends financially upon you?)
Hijos su familia c�nyuge padres otros ___
�C�mo considera su estado de salud actual? (What would you say is your state of health right now?)
bueno regular malo
�Padece alguna enfermedad cr�nica?
no si (explique)_____________ (Do you have any cronic illness)
�Est� usted embarazada? (Are you pregnant?)
no si
DATOS PERSONALES (Personal Data about your family)
NOMBRE VIVE FINADO DOMICILIO OCUPACI�N
(Name) (Alive) (Dead) (Address) (Occupation)
Padre (Father)
Madre (Mother)
Esposo (a)(Spouse)
Nombre y edades de los hijos (Names and ages of your children)
DATOS ECONOMICOS (Economic Data)
�Tiene usted otros ingresos?(Do you have other income?)Importe Mensual
no si describirlos $
�Su c�nyuge trabaja?(Does your partner work?)Percepci�n Mensual(Monthly income)
no si d�nde $
�Vive en casa propia?(Own your own house) Valor Aproximado (Value)
no si $
�Paga renta? (Pay Rent?) Renta Mensual (Monthly Rent)
no si $
�Tiene autom�vil? (Do you have a car?) Marca (Make) Modelo (Model)
no si
�Tiene deudas? (Do you have debts?) Importe
no si con qui�n $
�Cu�nto paga mensualmente? (How much do you pay per month?)
$
�A cu�nto ascienden sus gastos mensuales?
$
�Tiene cr�dito en INFONAVIT? �Cu�ndo lo obtuvo?
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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This looks like the standard application form that you can buy in any stationers. The question about partner's salary should NOT be answered, an employer has no right to ask that question, and you have no obligation to answer it. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
This looks like the standard application form that you can buy in any stationers. The question about partner's salary should NOT be answered, an employer has no right to ask that question, and you have no obligation to answer it. |
As far as I am concerned almost all of those questions have no bearing whatsoever on your ability to perform a job. |
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Enchilada Potosina

Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 344 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Some schools, Interlingua(cala) being one of them, even ask prospective female teachers for a negative pregnancy test before they'll give them a job. Oh yes, Mexico is moving forward.
I've found most of the time it's only necessary to do that kind of paperwork after you're hired, if you're pulse is good and steady. |
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Professor

Joined: 22 May 2009 Posts: 449 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Enchilada Potosina wrote: |
Some schools, Interlingua(cala) being one of them, even ask prospective female teachers for a negative pregnancy test before they'll give them a job. Oh yes, Mexico is moving forward.
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Unbelievable.  |
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Professor

Joined: 22 May 2009 Posts: 449 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Prof.Gringo wrote: |
As far as I am concerned almost all of those questions have no bearing whatsoever on your ability to perform a job. |
True.  |
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Professor

Joined: 22 May 2009 Posts: 449 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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One job I had with a company here in Mexico City made me get an AIDS and HIV test and then I had to answer questions from someone who CAME TO MY HOUSE and asked a lot of questions.
All of this for a job that was to only last six months to a year. |
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Enchilada Potosina

Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Posts: 344 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be surprised if all of the above were legal here, after all, the labour laws haven't been changed for 40 years or so. |
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spanglish
Joined: 21 May 2009 Posts: 742 Location: working on that
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Colombia may be even worse. An employer visit to your house is standard procedure for a Colombian applying to a professional job. One form I was filling out asked where my parents had studied and what their degrees were. |
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Professor

Joined: 22 May 2009 Posts: 449 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: |
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spanglish wrote: |
Colombia may be even worse. An employer visit to your house is standard procedure for a Colombian applying to a professional job. One form I was filling out asked where my parents had studied and what their degrees were. |
Damn that does sound worse. Viva Mexico!!  |
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mejms
Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Posts: 390
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I've found the hiring process here to be light and one time actually just plain silly but never invasive when it comes to teaching English. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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mejms wrote: |
I've found the hiring process here to be light and one time actually just plain silly but never invasive when it comes to teaching English. |
Just wondering where have you taught?
Langauge schools don't ask much, that's true.
Move away from that and into colegios or uni's and it's a different world.
I consider all of the questions on the above application (from a real colegio in DF) to be invasive and to have no bearing on ability to do the job.
Also doing a HIV test, a pregnancy test, a psych eval or having somebody actually "visit" (more like inspect) my home to be a complete invasion of my privacy. |
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mejms
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I consider all of the questions on the above application (from a real colegio in DF) to be invasive and to have no bearing on ability to do the job.
Also doing a HIV test, a pregnancy test, a psych eval or having somebody actually "visit" (more like inspect) my home to be a complete invasion of my privacy. |
Sure, I consider that over the top, irrelevant, and discriminatory. I've never been asked any of that, but it's not the first time I've heard of such questions.
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Just wondering where have you taught? |
I've taught for language schools, a colegio, a university, and myself. The language schools have been several, the colegio was years ago, the university is current, and most of my work is independent. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone ever been asked for a drug test?
The psych test seems common practice in a lot of fields and a few of the application questions listed here I've seen before. A pregnancy or HIV/AIDS test I have never seen...seems very odd for an outfit like Interlingua. |
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TeresaLopez

Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Posts: 601 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Guy Courchesne wrote: |
Anyone ever been asked for a drug test?
The psych test seems common practice in a lot of fields and a few of the application questions listed here I've seen before. A pregnancy or HIV/AIDS test I have never seen...seems very odd for an outfit like Interlingua. |
When I taught in public schools in the US you have to have a psych test, drug test and physical, as well as an FBI criminal background check. Many questions that would be considered invasive were asked. I think that is pretty standard. I worked for Interlingua on two different occasions, years apart, and though I was asked some of the invasive questions, I was never asked for a pregnancy test, nor was I asked if I was pregnant. I did have pregnant co-workers during both times I worked there and as far as I could tell the management was supportive, and most of them returned to work after their pregnancy. Perhaps there is a difference between company owned schools and franchises, I don�t know. I understand that recently there have been many changes there, none of them good for teachers. But when I worked there it was a positive experience in many ways. |
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