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Brian Hugh



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:32 am    Post subject: gouging Reply with quote

China is like a fast train going down hill at the moment. They try and brake but the train has too much inertia. I am speaking in an economic sense. People are borrowing on their borrowing. They are trying to make payments to the bank but inflation is killing them. I ran into a situation in Hangzhou a few weeks back. I was taking a taxi from one train station to another. The caby wanted 600 rmb for a ride that at most would have cost 60 rmb. Be careful and always go with a local when travelling or shopping. Always get the price before getting any kind of service
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other night I was short on cab fare, but the guy didn't mind. Needed thirty RMB, but could only get 26 out. Legal taxi though.

Taking illegal taxis can be risky, so it is good to get a price before you get the ride.
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Opiate



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly see the connection between a cabbie trying to rip you off and inflation and people 'borrowing on their borrowing'. It's crystal clear. Thanks.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: gouging Reply with quote

Brian Hugh wrote:
China is like a fast train going down hill at the moment. They try and brake but the train has too much inertia. I am speaking in an economic sense. People are borrowing on their borrowing. They are trying to make payments to the bank but inflation is killing them. I ran into a situation in Hangzhou a few weeks back. I was taking a taxi from one train station to another. The caby wanted 600 rmb for a ride that at most would have cost 60 rmb. Be careful and always go with a local when travelling or shopping. Always get the price before getting any kind of service


The vast majority of times that I have had trouble with taxis in China or other countries, I was at a station or airport. The vast majority of other rides I have been treated at least fairly about price and courteously to boot. If you have a choice, drag your luggage a few blocks away from train stations or bus stations (particularly those without an organized taxi queue) and hail a moving cab off the street. If not possible, follow OP's advice to get the price before hand, or at least demand the meter.

OP, the taxi driver was just trying to take advantage of a traveler, nothing new. Inflation in China is not exactly runaway, but does hurt those at the margins, but that's not new either. I also fail to see how a taxi driver's overreach has anything to do with the economy as a whole.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: gouging Reply with quote

Brian Hugh wrote:
They try and brake but the train has too much inertia.

Confused too much momentum
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lady at the market gave us a free fish yesterday. This is proof that the economy is strong and people are doing well.

RED
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oopsy-mee! How clumsy of me! I dropped this fish on the spit-ladden floor again! Ow well...this fish won't sell anyway. Getting rather old and stinky. I'll just give it to that laowai that comes here....maybe he can report to his spy network how kind we all are...
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been a few times where I knew that someone was trying to take advantage of me, typically taxi drivers.

But, more often I have experienced random acts of kindness ranging from strangers helping me to free taxi rides and free food.

Overall, I feel that I have experienced many more of the positives than the negatives.

I speak very little Chinese, so I have often depended upon the kindness of strangers. Smile
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cabs all over the world are much more likely to try to rip off non-locals.
I can't think of any country in the world, including my own, that I have visited where at least one cab driver did not try to cheat me.
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Chinese friend tell me a few months ago he landed at JFK in Queens NY and had to go to Westchester County (White Plains).

Told me the taxi driver took him through Central Park. (and no he didn't ask to go there.)

He asked me if he got cheated. I hid my smile and told him that it was the direct route to his destination.

Then of course I asked him if he liked Central Park and had planned to go there anyway. He replied it was nice to see it and he didn't have the time to go there as his business trip to New York was short and he had to go to Virginia next.

So maybe the NYC taxi driver was doing this Chinese guy a favor by taking his through Central Park...
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oopsy-mee! How clumsy of me! I dropped this fish on the spit-ladden floor again! Ow well...this fish won't sell anyway. Getting rather old and stinky. I'll just give it to that laowai that comes here....maybe he can report to his spy network how kind we all are...


Your mind has been poisoned. Must have been the fish.

RED
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobster wrote:
Quote:
Oopsy-mee! How clumsy of me! I dropped this fish on the spit-ladden floor again! Ow well...this fish won't sell anyway. Getting rather old and stinky. I'll just give it to that laowai that comes here....maybe he can report to his spy network how kind we all are...


Your mind has been poisoned. Must have been the fish.

RED

The problem is much deeper than that I suspect.
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Miles Smiles



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kungfuman wrote:
I had a Chinese friend tell me a few months ago he landed at JFK in Queens NY and had to go to Westchester County (White Plains).

Told me the taxi driver took him through Central Park. (and no he didn't ask to go there.)

He asked me if he got cheated. I hid my smile and told him that it was the direct route to his destination.

Then of course I asked him if he liked Central Park and had planned to go there anyway. He replied it was nice to see it and he didn't have the time to go there as his business trip to New York was short and he had to go to Virginia next.

So maybe the NYC taxi driver was doing this Chinese guy a favor by taking his through Central Park...


I didn't know that taxis were allowed in Central park. I think only the horse-drawn carriages are allowed--- and bicycles.
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kungfuman



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I didn't get specifics if he went through the park or in it but he got to see it.
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