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totefrosch
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 Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: Qualification Inaccuracy |
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A company called Greenheart Travel posted a teacher's wanted ad for Taiwan. They said, "Must hold a valid teaching certification/license issued in an English-speaking country. " They they imply for you to look elsewhere if you don't have a teaching license from your native country.
This is true ONLY for the public school system. Private language schools and universities do not require a teaching license, but a TEFL or TESOL is highly advisable.
Greenheart goes on to say, "Taiwan offers some of the best benefits packages for English teachers in the world, with high salaries, subsidized or free housing and paid vacation."
For sure ... Not many teachers get free housing
I love Taiwan so if you are a Newbie, don't be put-off by the Greenheart Ad. Taiwan's a great plce with a good quality of life and you can work here even if you are not a licensed to teach by your native government. |
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TaoyuanSteve
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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As you said, to get a work permit to work in the public school system, a public school teaching cert from your home country is necessary. On the other hand, people with permanent residency or marriage ARCs can also work these jobs. It does seem strange to have this requirement, as someone working in a public school is still TEFLing and not teaching in the sense that they were trained to do back home.
At any rate, OP, you are right. You do not need to be a public school teacher to TEFL here in most other settings. A BA will do fine. Slight disagreement with the TEFL or TESOL comment, however. In my experience, these aren't especially sought after here. |
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Dr_Zoidberg
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Qualification Inaccuracy |
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| totefrosch wrote: |
| Greenheart goes on to say, "Taiwan offers some of the best benefits packages for English teachers in the world, with high salaries, subsidized or free housing and paid vacation." |
The salaries used to be high, but as has been discussed in other threads, for various reasons they have been dropping in recent years.
Free housing is an indication to run away from that employer as quickly as your legs will carry you. Invariably, any job I or anyone I've known has applied to offering free housing has offered not only a reduced salary, but a salary reduced far beyond the value of the housing being offered, which is usually so sub-standard that back home you'd be charged with cruelty if you put your dog in such a place. |
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atreyue
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan - The Rain Capital Of Asia
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: Qualification Inaccuracy |
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I beg to differ (ever so slightly)
I teach in a public (city) high school and hold a Master's degree in a non-english subject base with no professional qualz from the USA.
Yes, rare - but albeit, still possible.
In addition, with my "part-time" bushiban night hours, I'm pulling 100K+/month. And while your results may vary, there is money to be made! |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Qualification Inaccuracy |
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| atreyue wrote: |
I beg to differ (ever so slightly)
I teach in a public (city) high school and hold a Master's degree in a non-english subject base with no professional qualz from the USA.
Yes, rare - but albeit, still possible.
In addition, with my "part-time" bushiban night hours, I'm pulling 100K+/month. And while your results may vary, there is money to be made! |
Yes, it is very possible to get a job in a public school without a teaching cert from your country. The main issue is the work permit. Without a cert, the school may not be able to issue a work permit. Some people get referred into these jobs from buxibans and other means. However, they are not, strictly speaking, legal. Still others are married to Taiwanese and/or possess permanent residency and do not require work permits. Again, the point here is not the relative availability of these jobs-- anyone can get them. Only the work permit requirements. This is not to make Taiwan seem like a place overly concerned with such things. However, the point remains that, for a work permit, the licence is needed. |
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creztor
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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TaoyuanSteve, are you certain that private schools (not cram schools, REAL schools  ) require teaching certificates? I was under the impression that they had more lenient requirements when it came to hiring? |
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atreyue
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Again, (because maybe I wasn't 1000% clear in my post)
I have a job, teaching at a well known city of Taipei high school, Masters degree, non-English related WHO sponsor my ARC without teaching credentials from America and without any headache from the local government.
Again, I may be the rare case - but it does happen.
Any questions? |
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creztor
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, private or public high school? |
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atreyue
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| Public - ranked #3 in Taipei (as to my understanding) |
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TaoyuanSteve
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| atreyue wrote: |
Again, (because maybe I wasn't 1000% clear in my post)
I have a job, teaching at a well known city of Taipei high school, Masters degree, non-English related WHO sponsor my ARC without teaching credentials from America and without any headache from the local government.
Again, I may be the rare case - but it does happen.
Any questions? |
Take a look back at the OP. OP was discussing an ad that suggested that state licences were required to work in Taiwan. I agreed with him that the ad was misleading.
The point of this thread (because it seemly wasn't made 10000000% clear) is that state licences are only ever commonly asked for in public school jobs.
***This does not mean that people never get jobs in these places without these credentials. It simply clarifies that you'll only ever be asked for them for public school jobs. |
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atreyue
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan - The Rain Capital Of Asia
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Wow - Taoyuan Steven...put the coffee down..your too excitable.
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| As you said, to get a work permit to work in the public school system, a public school teaching cert from your home country is necessary. |
That's what you said. And I replied that it is possible to find public school jobs without proper certification from a home country OR without a English based degree. And I am not alone in this - I know another teacher (Albeit he holds an APRC through marriage) who doesn't even possess a degree of any sort! Yet, he teaches at a local high school - WITHOUT being questioned about his credentials.
Not everything is black and white in Taiwan - there is lots of grey areas, and plenty of work to be had. The OP asked about an agency job posting (which IMHO is used by the agency to "cover it's backside" and nothing more). After checking their website I see they offer a "tax-free" income (lie) and their salary offerings in other countries is far below market value (although unrelated - Thailand teachers are paid $16,000 baht/mo).
All and all - I think I answered the original OP's question quite handily.
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| atreyue wrote: |
| Wow - Taoyuan Steven...put the coffee down..your too excitable. |
Look at your responses. 
| atreyue wrote: |
| And I replied that it is possible to find public school jobs without proper certification from a home country OR without a English based degree. |
That's fine. But the thread is really about other types of work, not your job or your specific circumstances. Normally, public school jobs are the ones that ask for teaching licences. It isn't necessary for other jobs. That you got a job in a school with a Master's degree is irrelevent to the requirements for other jobs. Sorry I ventured to speculate about your job at all.
| atreyue wrote: |
| And I am not alone in this - I know another teacher (Albeit he holds an APRC through marriage) who doesn't even possess a degree of any sort! Yet, he teaches at a local high school - WITHOUT being questioned about his credentials. |
Again irrelevent. I have been here nine years and have worked in several junior highs, public and private. BTW, you don't get APRC through marriage. You get JFRV through marriage. APRC is available to anyone who has maintained continuous residence for five years or more.
You won't be questioned about credentials at all if you have open work rights (as I do). The only time you will be questioned is if you need visa sponsorship. You should know that credentials for foreigners are really only about satisfying visa regulations.
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| Not everything is black and white in Taiwan - there is lots of grey areas, and plenty of work to be had. |
Thanks. I didn't know that after nine years here.
| atreyue wrote: |
| All and all - I think I answered the original OP's question quite handily. |
No, I think you've trolled and threadjacked quite handily. |
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atreyue
Joined: 07 May 2010
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Location: Taipei, Taiwan - The Rain Capital Of Asia
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LOL - trolled and threadjacked? Thanks TaoYuan Steve - you shall make many entertaining hours of gawking on our announcement board under the category "How not to be a tool on the internet."
9 years in taiwan? LOL. Amateur. |
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