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werdna24
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 Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: Where can I teach with a misdemeanor |
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In 2007 I was charged with possession of marijuana in Rhode Island. It has since been expunged. I realized that I would have trouble obtaining a visa in Korea as well as many other Asian countries, however I would prefer to teach in Latin America.
Which countries in Latin America, or worldwide for that matter, would I be able to get a visa? Do you think I will run into issues applying for specific jobs? Even with my charge expunged? |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Where can I teach with a misdemeanor |
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| werdna24 wrote: |
In 2007 I was charged with possession of marijuana in Rhode Island. It has since been expunged. I realized that I would have trouble obtaining a visa in Korea as well as many other Asian countries, however I would prefer to teach in Latin America.
Which countries in Latin America, or worldwide for that matter, would I be able to get a visa? Do you think I will run into issues applying for specific jobs? Even with my charge expunged? |
You can live, work and get a work visa in Mexico without a doubt. 
No background checks or even drug tests of any kind south of the border.  |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Where can I teach with a misdemeanor |
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| werdna24 wrote: |
In 2007 I was charged with possession of marijuana in Rhode Island. It has since been expunged. I realized that I would have trouble obtaining a visa in Korea as well as many other Asian countries, however I would prefer to teach in Latin America.
Which countries in Latin America, or worldwide for that matter, would I be able to get a visa? Do you think I will run into issues applying for specific jobs? Even with my charge expunged? |
Have you actually gotten a background check done to see what, if anything, was actually on it?
If it is positive then you will not get a work visa in any country that requires a background check (as you are well aware).
There are lots of countries that do not check however. Many of the ones in central / south America do not check or a simple State check (from out of state where you have no record) will suffice.
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bulgogiboy
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Turkey. I have a more serious offence on my record than you, and I got a work permit there with no checks at all. This was between 2008-2009, and as far as I know nothing has changed.
China is probably ok too. I didn't have checks there either, but I went there around 5 years ago so things may have changed. |
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Perilla
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| I've got a similar record (as well as another) in the UK, where they never get "expunged". However, I've had no problems - worked for the Korean government for two years and various employers, including universities, in HK. My suspicion is that employers rarely go through with checks - too much hassle for them. |
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tttompatz
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| Perilla wrote: |
| I've got a similar record (as well as another) in the UK, where they never get "expunged". However, I've had no problems - worked for the Korean government for two years and various employers, including universities, in HK. My suspicion is that employers rarely go through with checks - too much hassle for them. |
Things have changed since you were last there.
Now they (immigration) require national background checks and those need to be legalized and have an apostille affixed. The old days are long gone (thanks to the likes of people like Christopher Paul Neil).
Even in Thailand they (immigration and/or the consulate issuing the visa) are starting to ask for police checks before issuance of the visa.
I have almost never seen an employer ask for one outside of the "developed" countries but they are rapidly becoming the norm for the immigration service in many countries.
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naturegirl321
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| If it's been expunged, erased, right? then there shouldn't be an issue. Double check. Get an FBI check and see what, if anything, shows up |
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Madame J
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| Indonesia doesn't care. Like another poster said, most less developed countries are more relaxed. |
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johntpartee
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| If it's been expunged, erased, right? |
Well, yeah, but it'll always be there; not to be a downer, you almost certainly won't be denied entry into any country in the world, but if somebody (someplace) wants to look hard enough, they can find it.
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bulgogiboy
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When it comes to offences in the UK, they do become "expunged" or "spent", after certain times periods, depending on the offence. It also depends on the extent of the check that is required. My offence became spent after 5 yrs, and was deleted from the police national computer database. I requested all the info held about me, and was quite surprised when it came back blank! It is however, a permanent electronic record with the crown prosecution service. So basically if, as some employers request, I provided a 'police check, I would be just fine, but if they did a more advanced check, called an enhanced CRB in the UK, then it would show up. This what Aramco wanted, and that's why I fessed up in advance!  |
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werdna24
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Thanks for your help everyone.
I have run Rhode Island background checks on myself before and they have always come up clean. Though I've never had a federal check done.
Does anyone know if expunged records still show up in FBI checks? |
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TeresaLopez
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Where can I teach with a misdemeanor |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
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You can live, work and get a work visa in Mexico without a doubt.
No background checks or even drug tests of any kind south of the border. |
Perhaps not for Immigration that is true, but it is NOT trus for many schools, or goverment agencies that you might want to work for. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| werdna24 wrote: |
Thanks for your help everyone.
I have run Rhode Island background checks on myself before and they have always come up clean. Though I've never had a federal check done.
Does anyone know if expunged records still show up in FBI checks? |
As johntpartee says, EVEN if expunged, it's always there. BUT, it is invisible unless it is searched for by a valid law enforement agency IF they are looking for specifically expunged records for felons. In this case, it requires a judge's sign-off, if uncovered. The only other time that it is not hidden is when you are undergoing a Secret/Top Secret by the Dept. of Defense.
Outside of THOSE two things, it is completely and utterly hidden by ANY sundry criminal check. Again, it comes up in a check for priors when you've been charged with a FELONY or a SECURITY clearance.
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werdna24
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| werdna24 wrote: |
Thanks for your help everyone.
I have run Rhode Island background checks on myself before and they have always come up clean. Though I've never had a federal check done.
Does anyone know if expunged records still show up in FBI checks? |
As johntpartee says, EVEN if expunged, it's always there. BUT, it is invisible unless it is searched for by a valid law enforement agency IF they are looking for specifically expunged records for felons. In this case, it requires a judge's sign-off, if uncovered. The only other time that it is not hidden is when you are undergoing a Secret/Top Secret by the Dept. of Defense.
Outside of THOSE two things, it is completely and utterly hidden by ANY sundry criminal check. Again, it comes up in a check for priors when you've been charged with a FELONY or a SECURITY clearance.
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So then it wouldn't be detected when applying for a visa?
I know in RI expunged records only come into play for the reasons you mentioned, and if you are applying for certain things such as a teacher's certification or for a law enforcement agency. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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So then it wouldn't be detected when applying for a visa?
I know in RI expunged records only come into play for the reasons you mentioned, and if you are applying for certain things such as a teacher's certification or for a law enforcement agency. |
I can't see why it would. I'm a bit skeptical about the teacher's cert, but then again, you've got a rather new felony. The same goes for law enforcement. I'd think that it'd have to be a violent or grievous felony (such as a sex or stalking crime) for it to be looked for after being expunged. I mean, if THAT available for discovery, why even have yer record expunged?
Feel lucky that yer from the North...a place where people have a sense of forgiveness. If it had happened south of the Mason-Dixon Line, where forgiveness is NOT politically correct, you wouldn't have a snowball's chance in saudi arabia of getting an Order to Expunge...
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