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Professor



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Advanced Degrees & Credentials Reply with quote

From my personal experience living and teaching in Mexico City for the past two and a half years, I would say that it's VERY important for newbies who are thinking about getting into the EFL profession to have the following.

CELTA

After this the experience and then one or even two masters that are in Education and or TESOL specifically.

Have advanced degrees from people who have actually accomplished something teaching you their wisdom is CRITICAL. Plus, having a CELTA and a masters or two shows serious employers (Asia and the Middle East) that YOU are serious about the EFL profession. True, long term goals but they will benefit you greatly in the future.
Keep your future in mind not just the next party.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having an advanced degree(s) is just fine. And getting a DELTA is more important at that level as well.

So a MA TESOL, a DELTA, and a few years of actual teaching under your belt should place you into the elite of EFL pro's.

But one must avoid the mistake of so many in the EFL field. A piece of paper does not an English teacher make.

I have seen many teachers with a degree in education, or a CELTA or both, and they simply could not teach.

All the degrees and certs in world will do one no good if they aren't a good teacher. If you classes are dull, boring, have no point or leave the Ss scratching their collective heads, even a teacher with the best qualifications on paper will soon be left without a job and wondering what went wrong.

Here are some good resources for any teacher to review:

A Grammar Course for TEFL Certificate - Tony Preston

Berlitz English Grammar Handbook - Fredrik Liljeblad

Grammar Practice Activities - Penny Ur

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What does all the grammar knowledge in the world do you if you can't convey it successfully?

How to teach English - Jeremy Harmer

Learning Teaching - Jim Scrivener

Teaching English Worldwide - Paul Lindsey
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Professor



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:

I have seen many teachers with a degree in education, or a CELTA or both, and they simply could not teach.


Release your fear of higher ed Prof. Gringo and get those degrees. You will become a better person for it as well s a better teacher. People with DECADES of experience and degree holders can't be wrong.

Release your feaaar. Wink
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Professor"]
Prof.Gringo wrote:

People with DECADES of experience and degree holders can't be wrong.


You've clearly never studied history. It's littered with evidence to the contrary.

Yes, having an advanced degree does open doors for you that would otherwise be closed, but does not necessarily make you a better teacher.

Good teachers are the ones who are continually learning to teach throughout their careers, who experiment with new methods, approaches and techniques, and who pay attention to what works and what does not. Having an advanced degree is no substitute for good teaching practice, but it can speed up the process a bit.

So, Professor, how about you just come out and tell us which MA you're peddling?
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Professor



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithrn1983 wrote:

You've clearly never studied history. It's littered with evidence to the contrary.


Thanks for clearing that up for me smith. I would have never known.
Rolling Eyes
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id kinda agree with Gringo. My experience is limited, but the teachers with a degree in education I have met may well have been excellent teachers in their home countries, but that didnt translate into excellent EFL teachers.

I was always torn between hoping for an MA or DELTA in the future, but the recent experience of a friend and colleague has made my mind up for me. She completed her MA TESOL this year, and didnt rate it at all in terms of improving her actual teaching ability. On that basis, I hope to do a DELTA instead, it may not be as highly rated, but it is more vocational rather than academic. But maybe thats just me Rolling Eyes
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Professor



Joined: 22 May 2009
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithrn1983 wrote:

Having an advanced degree is no substitute for good teaching practice


I never said it was. By the way, what's your BACHELOR in?? Are you still in Austin, Texas and if so have you ANY experience teaching EFL in another country??
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BA in linguistics, speak four languages, and taught in multiple countries.
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Professor



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smithrn1983 wrote:
BA in linguistics, speak four languages, and taught in multiple countries.


BA huh?? Clears some things up. Thanks for the info.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Professor wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:

I have seen many teachers with a degree in education, or a CELTA or both, and they simply could not teach.


Release your fear of higher ed Prof. Gringo and get those degrees. You will become a better person for it as well s a better teacher. People with DECADES of experience and degree holders can't be wrong.

Release your feaaar. Wink


Guess I better get that BA in basket weaving. I'll be a better teacher overnight!
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