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Plume D'ella Plumeria
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 Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject: Visas Getting Difficult to Obtain? |
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I heard a somewhat disturbing rumour the other day, admittedly third or fourth-hand, that visas are becoming difficult to obtain. I'm talking about work or business visas. I'm unclear about what the reasons behind this, if true, would be.
It worries me a bit because I've settled down here, made a life for myself, and have a decent job, along with a dependent. I'm also not young, so hopping off to Japan or Korea is not really an option.
Has anyone heard anything to substantiate or discredit this rumour? I would appreciate any information, hearsay, half-truths or even speculation that anyone might have to offer. |
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slareth
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Listening to other people can be a big mistake. Your experiences may vary greatly from what another person went through. Rumors are a constant thing, the only thing about them that is universally true is that they are indeed rumors...nothing real.
It is impossible to substantiate or discredit this kind of rumor. It is pretty much meaningless. If your credentials are in order there *should* be no great difficulty in obtaining visas...but...this is China. You or anyone else may be denied for any reason or no reason at all.
I used to worry about this kind of thing. My life is also now in China. My wife is here, one day soon our children will be here, but worrying can do what? Nothing. Cross your fingers, hope for the best, and try not to shit in anyone's breakfast. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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From personal experience, yes.
I am married to a Chinese lass, and I hold duel Canadian and British citizenship. I have never had any problems re-newing on my Canadian passport until now. Now they want me to do it on my British passport. And they have said that I have to go to the original nation and enter China from the passport country (which means I have to go to the UK).
So yes, at least for me, they peed in my cornflakes big time. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| You or anyone else may be denied for any reason or no reason at all |
Exactly. 'Nuff said. |
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Zero
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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From personal experience, yes.
I am married to a Chinese lass, and I hold duel Canadian and British citizenship. I have never had any problems re-newing on my Canadian passport until now. Now they want me to do it on my British passport. And they have said that I have to go to the original nation and enter China from the passport country (which means I have to go to the UK).
So yes, at least for me, they peed in my cornflakes big time. |
Did they state a reason? |
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7969
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
From personal experience, yes.
I am married to a Chinese lass, and I hold duel Canadian and British citizenship. I have never had any problems re-newing on my Canadian passport until now. Now they want me to do it on my British passport. And they have said that I have to go to the original nation and enter China from the passport country (which means I have to go to the UK).
So yes, at least for me, they peed in my cornflakes big time. |
Did they state a reason? |
this could be an interesting story. i also await what might be forthcoming. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Some of the wolfs would just await and await, and then delude much of the truth from the region and that just 'cause of the sheep they prey on.
In fact, it is more difficult to obtain either a work permit or business, the F visa. Some officials don't bother stating reasons, and some recruiters may just throw you into believing that you need to pay as much as 10,000 RMB for a 6 months F stamp in. One of my former coworkers paid for the F visa almost as much as that last Summer and this isn't a "story".
The truth is that the mainland officials have tightened the local regulations for foreigners in or coming to mainland China. The reason being is probably to create jobs for the locals rather than foreigners, and to get rid of some displeased foreign experts that've worked too long and've filed too many complaints over the years on mainland.
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they have said that I have to go to the original nation and enter China from the passport country |
This is probably to disencourage foreigners from coming back but don't shoot my big mouth for assuming here. One of my bodies, I go to a gym with here, has taken a couple day trip to Hong Kong for a Z visa recently. His employer sent him there. Note that this Brit had an invitation letter alongside his application for the Z there.
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My wife is here, one day soon our children will be here, but worrying can do what? |
Worrying surely can do little. If your wife is local, forgive my assumption, you may be able to obtain either a spousal L visa or spousal RP, which isn't so illegal to work on. I've been told this RP has got a reason "married" (in Chinese) on the stamp, and so it seems quite safe to work on it. However, you'd have to stay on mainland and be married for at least 5 years. I am planning to get this one in a couple years here as my wife is a local too. By the way, the spousal L, i have suggested above, isn't legal to work on.
OP, I hope things will work out well for you. |
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7969
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| In fact, it is more difficult to obtain either a work permit or business, the F visa. Some officials don't bother stating reasons, and some recruiters may just throw you into believing that you need to pay as much as 10,000 RMB for a 6 months F stamp in. One of my former coworkers paid for the F visa almost as much as that last Summer and this isn't a "story". |
your friend was sucked in and hosed.
noone pays that much for a visa through any Chinese consulate or legitimate company. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| noone pays that much for a visa through any Chinese consulate or legitimate company. |
Looks like wolves smell the food better than see it. "noone" and "legitimate company" on mainland 
Seriously, there are more and more desperate FTs and it's sometimes uneasy to pinpoint an illegit company around 
Yet again, some would prey and prey and then mislead and mislead. |
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7969
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| noone pays that much for a visa through any Chinese consulate or legitimate company. |
Looks like wolves smell the food better than see it. "noone" and "legitimate company" on mainland
Seriously, there are more and more desperate FTs and it's sometimes uneasy to pinpoint an illegit company around
Yet again, some would prey and prey and then mislead and mislead. |
you cant get a chinese F visa "on mainland." you get it from a chinese consulate or private company abroad. companies which may or may not be associated with the mainland. post the link that proves your "friend" paid RMB10,000 for his F visa. |
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slareth
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: |
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slareth wrote:
My wife is here, one day soon our children will be here, but worrying can do what? |
Worrying surely can do little. If your wife is local, forgive my assumption, you may be able to obtain either a spousal L visa or spousal RP, which isn't so illegal to work on. I've been told this RP has got a reason "married" (in Chinese) on the stamp, and so it seems quite safe to work on it. However, you'd have to stay on mainland and be married for at least 5 years. I am planning to get this one in a couple years here as my wife is a local too. By the way, the spousal L, i have suggested above, isn't legal to work on.
OP, I hope things will work out well for you. |
I have a spousal RP without waiting 5 years, or even 5 days after we were married. Unless this is a different thing than I believe it to be. Yes, she is a local. It looks the same as any RP except for the reason for being in country. Mine says Family or Married...forgot which, where yours or others will say Work. I am not sure about your belief that you can legally work on any spousal visa. My wife and I would be extremely happy if you could provide us some more information. PM's would be fine.
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:35 am Post subject: |
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From personal experience, yes.
I am married to a Chinese lass, and I hold duel Canadian and British citizenship. I have never had any problems re-newing on my Canadian passport until now. Now they want me to do it on my British passport. And they have said that I have to go to the original nation and enter China from the passport country (which means I have to go to the UK).
So yes, at least for me, they peed in my cornflakes big time. |
Did they state a reason? |
Yes.
They said that China does not recognize duel citizenships of any nationalities as it is China's own policy that Chinese cannot hold two citizenships. They do not believe that people are allowed to be the citizen of two different sovereign nations.
I was married on my UK passport. I am here on my Canadian passport. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| Zero wrote: |
| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
From personal experience, yes.
I am married to a Chinese lass, and I hold duel Canadian and British citizenship. I have never had any problems re-newing on my Canadian passport until now. Now they want me to do it on my British passport. And they have said that I have to go to the original nation and enter China from the passport country (which means I have to go to the UK).
So yes, at least for me, they peed in my cornflakes big time. |
Did they state a reason? |
Yes.
They said that China does not recognize duel citizenships of any nationalities as it is China's own policy that Chinese cannot hold two citizenships. They do not believe that people are allowed to be the citizen of two different sovereign nations.
I was married on my UK passport. I am here on my Canadian passport. |
Just tell them you denounce your UK citizenship and can't use it. You must use the Canadian because it is the only legal one.
Understand you've driven this bind, but even more details are wanted. How did they come to know? How did they decide which passport you could use?
I am not trying to be an ass here I just don't understand. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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you cant get a chinese F visa "on mainland." you get it from a chinese consulate or private company abroad. |
I've had a number of F visas, and they have always been issued on the mainland for 6 months with no need to exit. I guess it comes down to everyones experience being different, as well as the usual difference from province to province. |
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slareth
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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I also have been under an F visa which was obtained on the mainland. It was through an agency though so I have no idea as to the legalities behind it. All I know is that I never left the mainland and obtained more than one F visa.
My F's were obtained by the same company that brought me here in the first place so maybe it was some kind of renewal thing. I am not sure how difficult it would have been to change the folks who sponsored my F while remaining in country. (invitation letter)
All in all, nothing confuses me more than Visas. It seems no matter what somebody else has to go through or what somebody else is told...you may have a vastly different experience or be told the opposite. Visas make my head hurt. |
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