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Applying for university jobs in China
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buzzing



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Applying for university jobs in China Reply with quote

Do you need a masters? Also how do i find these jobs and sort out a visa, accommodation etc from abroad?
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cormac



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Applying for university jobs in China Reply with quote

buzzing wrote:
Do you need a masters? Also how do i find these jobs and sort out a visa, accommodation etc from abroad?


I've just got a job with one of the larger Universities in Xi'an. I have a BA in Business Studies, and an internet tefl. I am older (hitting 34) with business experience, but I've heard of plenty of young guys getting university positions.

As to where.. the same places as all the other ads, or check the recruiters. I found mine after being offered it by two different recruiters. I know many here don't like using recruiters saying that the FT loses out on salary, but I know I probably wouldn't have found this job on the net, and they (networkesl) have been fairly helpful during the process. (on a side note, two years ago they placed me with Kids Castle, but hey, it was my own fault for not checking things out better).

Lastly as regards accommodation most places seem to offer campus as part of the deal. Search the forums and you'll see many pluses/negatives with such deals.
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A'Moo



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Applying for university jobs in China Reply with quote

buzzing wrote:
Do you need a masters? Also how do i find these jobs and sort out a visa, accommodation etc from abroad?

A Masters, preferably a Doctorate, is required for all teaching positions in China...
A letter of invitation , signed by both chairman and vice-chairman of the CCP, is required prior to boarding of any flight destined for Chinese soil.
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Steve_McQueen



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cormac,

Did you get hired for March or August?
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cormac



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

March - Teaching two semesters. 18 hours a week. 4500rmb but some freedom in getting extra external work if I want it.
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DosEquisX



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been told by people that looking too young has actually been a negative to my university teaching prospects. Even if you fit in the requested age group, you could be downgraded. I suppose age (or looking older) is heavily correlated with respect in China.

So put on a nice dress shirt, dress pants and shoes and take a nice, professional looking picture of yourself.

Seems that the positions that pay more include on-campus housing whereas the ones that pay less have off-campus housing. I think they pretty much come out to the same monetary value. I would prefer the latter as I tend to value my personal privacy higher than most do.
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7969



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisX wrote:
Seems that the positions that pay more include on-campus housing whereas the ones that pay less have off-campus housing. I think they pretty much come out to the same monetary value. I would prefer the latter as I tend to value my personal privacy higher than most do.

i think you might have that backwards. jobs that pay more are more likely to have off campus housing (which you pay for either with your higher salary or is partially offset with a small housing bonus) and jobs that pay less have on campus housing that is free of charge to the teacher. this brings the two jobs more or less in line with one another.

that's the way it works in our area at least.

DosEquisX wrote:
I have been told by people that looking too young has actually been a negative to my university teaching prospects. Even if you fit in the requested age group, you could be downgraded. I suppose age (or looking older) is heavily correlated with respect in China.

it could have more to do with the fact that in a lot of cases most of your students are 20-23 year old women. this is just a theory however.
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bradley



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The university I teach at "requires" a MA but if they are desperate (someone suddenly quits) or if you know the right person you can get a job with only a BA or a BS
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mdovell



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DosEquisX wrote:
I have been told by people that looking too young has actually been a negative to my university teaching prospects. Even if you fit in the requested age group, you could be downgraded. I suppose age (or looking older) is heavily correlated with respect in China.


I can avouch for this. I know a man who has been in china since the early 80's. When he first arrived no one would take him seriously. He still looks young for his age (he's in his 40's he could pass for late 20s). He had to grow a beard for them to consider him more...maybe wear glasses instead of contacts..
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bradley



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think some schools may worry that young or young looking teachers will chase after or be chased by the students.
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7969



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradley wrote:
I think some schools may worry that young or young looking teachers will chase after or be chased by the students.

seems old, fat and ugly teachers also get chased by these women. How to immunize ourselves against this treatment?
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
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seems old, fat and ugly teachers also get chased by these women

...and old, fat, and ugly teachers do a lot of the chasing. It's not just a young man's game.
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igorG



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my knowledge, it's true that the local unis recruiting techniques come with certain preferences that aren't professional to our standards. Our qualifications, skills or experiences may not sometimes matter.

With respect to qualifications for jobs at the mainland unis, it may depend for what kind of a job it is. Otherwise, from what I know, salaries are bumped up by about 500 RMB monthly with MAs, Doctorates, or experiences of applying FTs. With most of those, you may end up with a 7000-8000 monthly agreement. Starting salaries are usually from 5,000, although, and it also depends on the weekly contact hours a FT is to be contracted for.

On the OP's offer, I feel he's been offered the bottom of the B, and I also suspect it may be due to smarter advertisers and their great internet use. Honestly, 4,500 is 500 less than I worked for in 1998. And, I had only 12 teaching hours weekly without any paperwork really. And, I had a great two bedroom appartment with all utilities paid for then (not now). I'd suggest you ask the costs of your necessary documentation to be paid, reimbursed, by the employer. Also, have a clause that offers you the vacation pay, travelling expenses during holidays and filght reimbursement (in cash). Don't forget to ask for a raise (1000), after first year if you decide to stay on.
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therock



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradley wrote:
The university I teach at "requires" a MA but if they are desperate (someone suddenly quits) or if you know the right person you can get a job with only a BA or a BS


Hope this university offers more than a measly 500rmb extra for any applicant who has a MA.
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hiddenninja



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you repeat material for all of your 16 hours? That could be quite an easy gig if thats the case
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