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flyingscotsman · Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 339 Location: Suzhou, China

I came to a school and have not signed the contract but am working and they have paid me for September.

The issue is....this school pretty much sucks. Reviews on the school from Dave's have been terrible and this school lives up to these reviews and worse.

So far 1 teacher up and left ( gave a lame excuse), another has not signed and may leave, and like me has no Z visa. And another went through a very expensive medical in the UK at their own expense and there were problems with it when they got to China and they had to go retake some ( or all ) of it.

The school makes the teachers pay for their own visa, medical and won't reimburse for it.

There are really no pluses to this school from the incompetent admins, to lazy students, and a general non caring attitude from the school towards the foreign teachers. A teacher who works for the school for about two years said that the foreign teachers in this program have a very high turn over rate and the students said that last year they had 5 or 6 teachers teach them the same subject as they all leave...

So, it it WRONG of me, working without a contract or valid visa, to leave soon and take a job that pays 4,000 rmb a month more and provides a visa WITHOUT having to do a HK run????

To reiterate, this school has one of the WORST reviews on Dave's and other sites...

DixieCat · Joined: 24 Aug 2010 Posts: 263

Your still there?

mike w · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:36 am Post subject:

Do you enjoy working illegally?

LanGuTou · Joined: 23 Mar 2009 Posts: 621 Location: Shandong

No 'Z' visa, no RP and no contract!

Normally, I don't regard doing runners too highly but I can't see that there are many barriers in your case. They haven't followed the legal guidelines so why should you? If the turnover of teachers is that high and they still haven't made any changes, it is highly unlikely that they will in the future. It sounds as if they just treat FT's with utter contempt!

I think you should just move on!

flyingscotsman · Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 339 Location: Suzhou, China

DixieCat · Joined: 24 Aug 2010 Posts: 263

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

Which school is it?

ryanwhistler · Joined: 26 Jul 2010 Posts: 29

Hilarious

You voluntarily work without a contract

You knowingly work illegally

The school has the "worst reviews" on many sites and you still chose to go there

Yet you come and complain?

W-O-W

xiao51 · Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 208

Dear OP,

1. As you wrote, you have no Z visa and no RP in your passport.

2. Did they obtain a FEC for you? Any idea about that?

3. A previous poster is very incorrect. A signed and stamped contract
is quite necessary to obtain the FEC. The FEB won't issue one without
it. And no PSB office will issue a RP anymore without a FEC. In the
old days, say 10 years ago, yes. Not now.

On the other hand, as has happened in China, sometimes the FEB
will issue a FEC with a contract stamped and signed by the school alone with your name on it. Stranger things have been known to occur.

Even worse, your name somehow, somehow, meaning your signature
might or could have actually appeared on the contract without your
knowledge of same. That has also been known to happen.

4. If, however, there is no FEC at all, and no signed contract, and no
legal RP in the passport, you actually are under no legal obligation
to them not even in China.

In your shoes, I might nose around a bit to find out if there is a
FEC. Tell them you need a copy of it because you want to change
money (you don't need it anymore for that but they won't know).
Insist that they give you a copy the same day that you are there.
Don't come back in three days to ask for it because that will give
them time to produce one.

If there is none of the above, none of it, you need not make any
lame excuses as a previous teacher did.

Finally, as another poster wrote, please do many posters a kind favor on the board. At least post the city and some details of the name of the school. It should serve as a warning to all.

Hope that this helps you a bit.

flyingscotsman · Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 339 Location: Suzhou, China

There is a signed contract. The school actually signed it and then gave it to me but I have possession of the original and I CAN sign it at any time but figure I should only do that if it benefits me. ie they tell me to leave but I tell them they breached the contract etc.

As far as the reviews of the school, I figured MAYBE they have changed...

They haven't, it's probably worse than ever.

And for the ITS - I'm just too lazy to type an ' - most likely a by - product of too much qq and sms chat.

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

I asked this earlier, but would you mind giving us the name of this joint?

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing

I'd leave.

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

Most definitely, GWOW; best thing, though, would be not to go there in the first place.

Ariadne · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 960

Better start flying, Scotsman.

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