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Kublakhan



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Looking to the future... Reply with quote

Hello,

First time poster here, so a big as-salam alaykum to you all Smile

Saudi Arabia - so I've read - is where the money is, and the reason why so many of you, perhaps, decide upon teaching there: I can only assume if money wasn't the primary motive however, the vast majority of you would not be there now, right?

I am sure as nice as the country, people, food and whatever else, as I understand it, it can be quite a brutal place to live what with the many cultural restraints and searing heat in the summer to consider.

But, as I said earlier, it's where the money is, besides I could use a tan and a life away from the booze anyway!

I am in my final year of an (hons) degree in English lang + lit and whilst already in possession of a TEFL cert I will more than likely, in addition to this, be looking at completing my CELTA after my degree has finished. After a proposed number of years teaching academic English in S.E. Asia, which would bring me into my mid-thirties, I will more than likely be ready for a change of scenery with Saudi high on the list.

What I would like to ask you guys in the field now is: In the years ahead, how do you predict the job market to be in Saudi Arabia? Moreover, what qualifications would one need to seriously consider a half decent future over there?

I am more than happy to continue my studies after my degree has finished and have deliberated over a MA TESOL, taught, not an online job, or perhaps a MA in Education, as I believe both be a prudent choice to have in ones arsenal in a job market such as Saudi or UAE; I would even consider taking up Arabic for a year prior to my arrival.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

ma'a salama
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boring is the adjective I wouold use rather than brutal. The OP's problem will be jobs are hard to get for thopse with no experienvce. At least 2 years experience is normally required.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking to the future... Reply with quote

Kublakhan wrote:
What I would like to ask you guys in the field now is: In the years ahead, how do you predict the job market to be in Saudi Arabia? Moreover, what qualifications would one need to seriously consider a half decent future over there?

Life is unpredictable... so is the situation in the Gulf. Have you had your TV on? The Gulf is not Egypt... but...

Your plan to spend a few years in Asia is a good one. When you are ready to try other parts of the world, check back here and see. Also, Saudi is not the only country in the Gulf, and at the moment the others are certainly more pleasant to live in. (at least there are pubs and you can enjoy a beer in front of the TV when you get home from work) You can also make more money in places like the UAE and Qatar, if you complete an MA in Applied Linguistics during your years in Asia.

VS
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Kublakhan



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Boring is the adjective I wouold use rather than brutal. The OP's problem will be jobs are hard to get for thopse with no experienvce. At least 2 years experience is normally required.


Thanks for the reply scot47,

I have read that experience really counts out in the middle east and that is something I plan on trying to achieve in Asia.
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Kublakhan



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking to the future... Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Kublakhan wrote:
What I would like to ask you guys in the field now is: In the years ahead, how do you predict the job market to be in Saudi Arabia? Moreover, what qualifications would one need to seriously consider a half decent future over there?

Life is unpredictable... so is the situation in the Gulf. Have you had your TV on? The Gulf is not Egypt... but...

Your plan to spend a few years in Asia is a good one. When you are ready to try other parts of the world, check back here and see. Also, Saudi is not the only country in the Gulf, and at the moment the others are certainly more pleasant to live in. (at least there are pubs and you can enjoy a beer in front of the TV when you get home from work) You can also make more money in places like the UAE and Qatar, if you complete an MA in Applied Linguistics during your years in Asia.

VS


VS,

I was hoping to attract a reply from you with this post as you seem to offer, across the board, sound advice to many.

Would you care to elaborate on your reasons why choosing a MA in Applied Linguistics, over a MA TESOL or MA.ed for example might be more beneficial, or would you say they are equally weighted in and around the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Looking to the future... Reply with quote

Kublakhan wrote:
I was hoping to attract a reply from you with this post as you seem to offer, across the board, sound advice to many.

Would you care to elaborate on your reasons why choosing a MA in Applied Linguistics, over a MA TESOL or MA.ed for example might be more beneficial, or would you say they are equally weighted in and around the Middle East or anywhere else for that matter?

I "try" to be practical. Laughing I put Applied Linguistics just as an example... it is really little different from one titled "TESOL" or "EFL" or whatever. (a rose by any other name etc..) If you plan to stay in this field, I would stay as related as possible. There are employers who don't consider a basic MA in ED to be "related." You have to decide which MA better prepares you to achieve your future plans.

In the meantime, try to get as much of your experience teaching Academic English as possible... especially reading and writing. Much of the teaching in Asia tends to be conversation classes, and they will not really count to ME employers. At worst, try for integrated skills kind of teaching.

VS
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dutchman



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theoretically speaking, Applied Linguistics is broader than TESOL, as the former includes branches such as forensic or computational linguistics, which might be of little use to EFL teachers. But if you do an MA in Applied Linguistics, chances are that you are not going to study these, as most universities only focus on Second Language Acquisition, Sociolinguistics and Language Teaching.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, strangely enough, in my experience, an MA in Applied Linguistics, though providing less practical application to classroom teachers than an MA in TESOL, seems to have more cachet, more "snob appeal" to many employers at institutions in the M.E.
As for an MA in Ed,. unless things have changed a lot, that'll most likely get your resume tossed into the circular file.

Regards,
John
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dutchman



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
But, strangely enough, in my experience, an MA in Applied Linguistics, though providing less practical application to classroom teachers than an MA in TESOL, seems to have more cachet, more "snob appeal" to many employers at institutions in the M.E.
As for an MA in Ed,. unless things have changed a lot, that'll most likely get your resume tossed into the circular file.

Regards,
John


That's partly because Applied Linguistics sounds fancy, and people get impressed by its academic-sounding name, even if they don't have the slightest clue as to what it means. I am currently doing an MA in ELT in the UK (ELT is the British counterpart of TESOL). If I meet a stranger, sometimes I say I am doing a degree in English Language Teaching and sometimes a degree in Applied Linguistics, just to see how people will respond differently. And believe me, lay people take me more seriously if I say Applied Linguistics.. Smile Now given that the management or the decision-makers at most of the Saudi institutions are typically Saudis who are not well-versed in academia, it is understandable why an MA in Applied Linguistics have more cachet to employers than an MA in TESOL.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear dutchman,

Yes, I know - ergo "snob appeal."

Regards,
John
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, so we're back to "a rose by any other name" Laughing In the US, each university decides what they will call it. Personally I would look at the courses offered and take the one that appealed to my interests. As long as it is focused on language acquisition... teaching English as a foreign language... employers should accept it.

VS
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Kublakhan



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Personally I would look at the courses offered and take the one that appealed to my interests. As long as it is focused on language acquisition... teaching English as a foreign language... employers should accept it.

VS


Trouble is, the university I am currently considering applying to offer these courses:

MA in Applied Linguistics
MA in Applied Linguistics & Intercultural Communication
MA in Computer Assisted Language Learning
MA in English for Specific Purposes
MA in English Language
MA in English Language and Linguistics
MA in English Language Teaching
MA in English Language Teaching - Young Learners
MA in Language Acquisition
MA in Language Disorders
MA in Language Testing and Programme Evaluation
MA in Linguistics
MA in Linguistic Studies
MA in Management & Professional Communication
MA in Phonology
MA in Psycholinguistics and Neurolinguistics
MA in Sociolinguistics
MA in Sociolinguistics of the Arab World
MA in Syntax
MA in Teaching English as a Foreign Language
MA in Varieties of English
MRes in Linguistics

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