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Aristotle
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 Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: Work and Travel Advisory Warning Taiwan and Outlying Islands |
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Work and Travel Advisory Warning for Taiwan and Outlying Islands
Work and Travel Advisory Warning for Taiwan and Outlying Islands
The Work and travel advisory for the areas of Taiwan and the outlying islands under the control of the Republic of China has been removed following the peaceful and orderly inauguration of the elected goverment of the Republic of China on Taiwan.
http://www.geocities.com/taiwanteacher2002/WorkAdvisoryWarning.html?1080204270400
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brian
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:56 am Post subject: |
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This individual is at it again! What a scaremongerer!
Look, if you want to take his advice then so be it. The fact is that, with the exception of a couple of street closures around the presidential palace, things are as normal. To suggest otherwise is just a baseless attempt to scaremonger. Are you actually in Taiwan Aristotle or are you just catching all of this from the press?
One starts to feel that Aristotle lives for these 'bumps' in life so that he can declare another 'Work Advisory Warning'.
Just curious Aristotle. If things are as dangerous and dire as you suggest, just wondering when your flight is booked? Or are you staying. If it is 'safe'enough for you to stay then surely it is safe for other foreigners to be here. |
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MTurton
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I'll second that! Aristotle clearly knows nothing about what is going on here. The island is perfectly calm outside of one tiny spot, where a bit of political theatre is being staged. As for the rest of those "official advisories" it looks like paranoia to me. You've a much greater chance of dying in a traffic accident than being murdered in Chiayi, where I have been many times on business and pleasure, with nary an incident.
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WorkingVaca
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:12 am Post subject: Flee Aristotle, Flee! |
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| Once again, it didn't take much more than an egg-throwing and some broken windows to ruffle Aristotle's feathers. The excitement! The danger! What a precarious position to be in, out there in Chiayi, about 600 km away from the (peaceful) protests in Taipei. The folks back home must be so impressed by his mettle to survive in Taiwan when they catch that 30-second news blurb of the election, in between news of the latest killings in Iraq and Israel/Palestine. |
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Mozilla
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Expect the worst, hope for the best. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Work and Travel Advisory Warning Taiwan and Outlying Isl |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
Work and Travel Advisory Warning for Taiwan and Outlying Islands
This is an official work and travel advisory for Taiwan and the outlying islands currently under the control of the Republic of China.
All foreign teachers are advised to maintain a high level of alert and preparedness in the event of widespread civil unrest following the elections on March 22, 2004.
All foreign residents are recommended to register their residence with their respective nations representative office in Taiwan in preparation for possible evacuation.
Prospective teachers are strongly recommended to avoid travel to Taiwan until the current dispute of election results and attempted presidential assassination are resolved.
http://www.geocities.com/taiwanteacher2002/WorkAdvisoryWarning.html?1080204270400 |
Outlying Islands? Do you mean Orchid and Green? Does anyone actually teach there? |
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struelle
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll second that! Aristotle clearly knows nothing about what is going on here. The island is perfectly calm outside of one tiny spot, where a bit of political theatre is being staged. |
Things may be business as usual on the island now, but the way the situation is moving, it's hard to tell. Aristotle's warning may be at a bit much, but I agree with the gist of it: now is not a good time to be complacent!
I've been keeping tabs on this story from the mainland, with a variety of news sources. Beijing is now hinting now that it will step in to the island if the situation worsens. The congratulation of Chen's victory by White House press secretary Scott McClellan has not been very welcome by Beijing either!
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/03/27/china.us.taiwan.ap/index.html
This current political drama in Taiwan is also closely linked to what's happening in Korea. With President Roh's impeachment, the political environment there is a little shaky. The interim government is pushing for closer military ties with the U.S., which is getting North Korea worried. In turn, NK is increasing their demands assosciated with their nuke program.
What does this have to do with Taiwan? Since the U.S. needs China's help to negotiate with North Korea, the reciprocal agreement is that China wants the U.S. to help them reunify Taiwan. Whether or not this is fair, it's critical for Sino-US relations to remain good, as a peaceful Korean peninsula depends on it.
I suppose East Asia has always had a tinge of unpredictability and uncertain edge to it. Taiwan is especially like this, and TEFLers must know this. That's why nobody's getting too worked up over the current events. Uncertainty is the nature of the beast.
Having taught through the SARS crisis on the mainland last year, we survived, and it wasn't nearly as bad as the press made it seem. But I had a back-up plan to evacuate just in case. It would be wise for others to do the same.
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| brian wrote: |
This individual is at it again! What a scaremongerer!
Look, if you want to take his advice then so be it. The fact is that, with the exception of a couple of street closures around the presidential palace, things are as normal. To suggest otherwise is just a baseless attempt to scaremonger. Are you actually in Taiwan Aristotle or are you just catching all of this from the press?
One starts to feel that Aristotle lives for these 'bumps' in life so that he can declare another 'Work Advisory Warning'.
Just curious Aristotle. If things are as dangerous and dire as you suggest, just wondering when your flight is booked? Or are you staying. If it is 'safe'enough for you to stay then surely it is safe for other foreigners to be here. |
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I'll second that! Aristotle clearly knows nothing about what is going on here. The island is perfectly calm outside of one tiny spot, where a bit of political theatre is being staged. As for the rest of those "official advisories" it looks like paranoia to me. You've a much greater chance of dying in a traffic accident than being murdered in Chiayi, where I have been many times on business and pleasure, with nary an incident.
Michael Turton |
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| Once again, it didn't take much more than an egg-throwing and some broken windows to ruffle Aristotle's feathers. The excitement! The danger! What a precarious position to be in, out there in Chiayi, about 600 km away from the (peaceful) protests in Taipei. The folks back home must be so impressed by his mettle to survive in Taiwan when they catch that 30-second news blurb of the election, in between news of the latest killings in Iraq and Israel/Palestine. |
The last time the KMT went on a rampage on Taiwan they killed an estimated 28,000 people. Including numerous foreigners.
It took about a month for the KMT to rally the troops and call for reinforcements from the mainland during that massacre.
The current situation has only been building for a week and is far from over. Give it a few more weeks.
"Formosans Attack the American Consulate!"
http://www.formosa.org/~taiwanpg/chap12.htm
The March Massacre
http://www.formosa.org/~taiwanpg/chap14.htm
Good luck,
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WorkingVaca
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:39 pm Post subject: 1947 |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
The last time the KMT went on a rampage on Taiwan they killed an estimated 28,000 people. Including numerous foreigners.
It took about a month for the KMT to rally the troops and call for reinforcements from the mainland during that massacre.
The current situation has only been building for a week and is far from over. Give it a few more weeks. |
Are you talking about the 2-28 massacre? If so, it might be useful to mention that it happened in 1947, when the KMT had much more muscle and operated under a military dictatorship. I won't bog down this ESL board with a history lesson because anybody interested can easily look up the facts. That Taiwan's position related to China is precarious, is NO NEWS FLASH. Most people are well-aware and don't need hysterical warnings from Aristotle.
By the way, current KMT protesting of Chen Shui Bien's election win has already begun to die down, as Chen has accepted their demand for a recount, and most KMT supporters are not used to the dedication required for long term protests anyway, unlike their traditional opposition for the last 50 odd years, and have complied with police to move their rallies away from the presidential office. "Give it a few more weeks" and they'll clear out of CKS memorial entirely.
Newbies would be wise to read about opinions of Aristotle from another message board devoted entirely to living in Taiwan. He was banned from this more discriminating board and frankly, nobody found it disconcerting. |
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Pop Fly
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Aristotle, you are an idiot. Don't no one listen to this clown. As for the other guy in this thread supporting his "sky is fallingism", just look where he is "monitoring" the situation from. Now this board has its own commie spy spreading disharmony and misinformation. Its all good here, traffic, smog and money baby, step off the bus and grab yerself a mitt full of BBQ chicken arse....
Aristotle...get a life man. |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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From the AIT website,
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"American citizens staying in Taiwan for any extended period of time are encouraged to register with us. Registration is to your advantage in that it enables us to locate you in the case of a family or personal emergency, and helps keep us better informed of the number and location of American citizens in the event of a large-scale emergency. We are required by law to keep any registration information you give us completely confidential, and will release it ONLY when authorized by you to do so. You can register online by clicking here.
We also recommend that you subscribe to our e-mail group so that you can receive e-mail messages from AIT about matters that are of concern to you. To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to [email protected]."
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http://www.ait.org.tw/en/
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davidla
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Work and Travel Advisory Warning Taiwan and Outlying Isl |
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| This is an official work and travel advisory for Taiwan and the outlying islands currently under the control of the Republic of China. |
"Official"? From the AIT? From the Taiwaners govt? From you, Aristotle?
How "official" is that?
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Aristotle
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davidla
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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I know they do that. They ask you to register in the event of there ever being an emergency - even if you came here in the most peaceful times possible, they would still ask you to register!
But, where has this quote come from?
"All foreign teachers are advised to maintain a high level of alert and preparedness in the event of widespread civil unrest following the elections on March 22, 2004.
All foreign residents are recommended to register their residence with their respective nations representative office in Taiwan in preparation for possible evacuation. "
Thanks
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mjed9
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Isn't Aristotle just making us aware of the official releases from the Representative Offices? Let's not be so hasty to shoot the messenger boy! I don't think his initial post is worthy of the barrage of abuse that everyone seems so quick to dish out.
And no, I am not a member of his secret organisation! |
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