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askiptochina



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:23 am    Post subject: What is Taiwan? Reply with quote

How do you classify Taiwan to your students? One student said it is a city, a part of China. I wasn't quite sure of how to address him. With low level vocabulary, country was the only thing I could think of. They probably wouldn't understand "province" if I said it.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the "three T's" they warn you about. Officially, there is one country called China. Taiwan is a province, from Beijing's and every Chinese from your school's point of view. It doesn't come up much, but I don't shy away from it as a discussion, if it is a student-led discussion. If a student asks a foreign teacher his or her opinion about it, that little dikens is probably trying to set you up. I just turn the question back to the class or the student that asked it. If cornered, I usually reply that it's for Chinese people to decide. Googl the "one-China policy" and you'll see the basic framework that is followed now by most of the world, including the US which regularly sells arms to Taiwan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy Or were you just kidding?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never had a problem talking about it. Of course they have their view which the whole class shares - just as it is when talking about Japan.
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good place to take a vacation from the mainland if you speak decent Chinese.
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wesharris



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is only one honest answer here. The people of Taiwan are confused about their identities, and must be brought back into the fold. The best way to accomplish this, is simply to be slow and steady about it. HongKong the whole island. It'll only take another 20-30 years.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wesharris wrote:
There is only one honest answer here. The people of Taiwan are confused about their identities, and must be brought back into the fold. The best way to accomplish this, is simply to be slow and steady about it. HongKong the whole island. It'll only take another 20-30 years.


If one has never lived in Taiwan, what qualifications exist to proclaim that there is only one answer to a problem?

The people of Taiwan themselves hold their own future in their own hands.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taiwan is the last area of China that did not fall to the communist revolution.

It was modernized and thriving well before Mao died and Deng took over China's reigns.

"Let the facts take precidence over emotion on any issue, and there will never be a war."
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askiptochina



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is one of the "three T's" they warn you about.


Who are "they"?
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tomhume89



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Who are "they"?


I'm also fairly unsure as to who "they" are, as I was only ever told once about what not to teach just before my first teaching gig. They said no religion, no politics.

And OP, are you sure the students don't know what a province is? I've had 10 year olds who know. Just because it's a long word doesn't mean they haven't learned it.

Anyway, I would have said it's like Hunan or ZheJiang if they still failed to understand.
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sainthood



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ask them "Which is the best university in ALL of China?"

They will proudly proclaim either Beijing or Xinhua... blissfully ignorant that 6 universities rank higher in the World Rankings than either of those two.. as well as a couple in HK.

Thus, they obviously think that Taiwan is a separate country Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does 'Taiwan' come up in any subject a foreign teacher of English could be called upon to teach?
Enlighten me.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
How does 'Taiwan' come up in any subject a foreign teacher of English could be called upon to teach?
Enlighten me.


In an oral English class for example: "Where would you like to travel to? Discuss." Taiwan exists. I've been to the airport in Taipei, so I can say with authority that it does. Taiwanese and Mainland business contacts and contracts have been on the increase for a while. It's bound to spill over into everyday conversation. As I wrote above, however, it doesn't come up often.


OP, the "they" that I wrote about above is the anonymous they. Aka, some people, there are those that, etc. I've never been asked or warned not to talk about Taiwan, Tibet (also a frequent dream trip for students), or Tian An Men. Most of the younger students now probably wouldn't consider the last T to be controversial. They certainly aren't taught about any goings on there in the past.
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Salvatore



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about it now because of the World Financial Center in Shanghai, but before it was built, the tallest building in China was the "Taipei 101".

Most people would say the Jin Mao Tower, also in Shanghai. I'd then say - "I thought Taiwan was part of China?"

It's funny, last weekend I was in HK and even the locals would say "In China xxxx. Here in HK xxx."
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askiptochina



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Sequitur wrote:
How does 'Taiwan' come up in any subject a foreign teacher of English could be called upon to teach?
Enlighten me.


I wasn't called upon to teach anything related to this. What happened was I have been doing a lesson for 1.5 weeks on jobs/occupations. During the lesson I have each student choose a job that they want after they graduate. Then we guess what it is with 2 default questions if they can't make a 3rd on their own.

The first question is "Where do you work?". So, if you chose doctor, you would say "at a hospital". Then one group is allowed to guess, or they ask a second question, "What do you do?". They have to describe what a doctor does without using the word. Instead, this person said, "I work in Taiwan."

I replied without thinking, "Don't mention cities or countries". Herein lies the problem. 3 or 4 students know "province" where the rest are oblivious. This is not a geography lesson, so I wanted to stick to simple words.
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Salvatore



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe me, if you have never worked in a training center for adults, such as Wall St. or Web, the advanced students usually prefer to not follow the "lesson plan/topic" and just shoot the breeze.

They will bring the topic up and ask what you think about it.

They also like to chat about Japan, Jesus and other sensitive topics. Basically, they want to know the facilitator's opinions and try to refute them.

It's a Catch-22.

Personally, I say stick with Jesus. It isn't quite as controversial. Toss in Amithaba Buddha and you'll be fine.
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