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danielle86



Joined: 07 Mar 2011
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:18 am    Post subject: Americans working abroad Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I am curious how easy or difficult it is for Americans to work as a teacher abroad. What experiences have you had?

We are a couple currently in South Korea and are aware that Asian countries are quite willing to accept US citizens. However, we are wondering about other countries. How about Europe? I am from England, he is from Texas.
We know it wont be easy in certain places but I was interested to hear about peoples real life experiences rather than legal documents on the internet.

I hope you can hlp us. Thankyou
Danielle.
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Justin Trullinger



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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THere are quite a few countries in the world, and it's VERY hard to generalize. I'd say get a little more specific and you'll get more answers.

I'm from the US, living abroad and mostly teaching, for closing in on 15 years. Seen a LOT of countries-

General thoughts: Most of Europe isn't an option unless you have a passport from an EU country.

Asia is an option for most folks as long as they have degrees.

Latin America is awfully flexible.

All the best,

Justin
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a US citizen who's been working in Europe for near 14 years now. It's ONLY feasible in the vast majority of cases (outside of marraige to a local or university study) in the 'new' EU member countries.

Basically, his chances in Western Europe for legal work are extremely limited. I know you said you're not interested in legal docs on the internet, but google Schengen zone for some basic and important info.

You can check the Poland, Czech, and other boards below for current info on getting work visas as a US citizen, and the kinds of certification needed to compete successfully on this job market (CELTA or equivalent at a minimum).
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Americans working abroad Reply with quote

danielle86 wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am curious how easy or difficult it is for Americans to work as a teacher abroad. What experiences have you had?

We are a couple currently in South Korea and are aware that Asian countries are quite willing to accept US citizens. However, we are wondering about other countries. How about Europe? I am from England, he is from Texas.
We know it wont be easy in certain places but I was interested to hear about peoples real life experiences rather than legal documents on the internet.

I hope you can hlp us. Thankyou
Danielle.


Are you married or not. It DOES make a huge difference for HIM when it comes to working in Europe.

If you are NOT married then the majority of European countries are off the map for him. He is pretty much stuck with Asia, N/S America and Africa.

If you are married then doors start to open and the visa rules change (legal migration/residence and not simply a work visa).

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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes- if you get hitched, the options in Western Europe increase...

Be sure to investigate, though- as an American with a British spouse, he'd have some more options, but it isn't a "solve-all, automatic" solution. Procedures to get to the point of residency are in flux, and take time.

Best,
Justin
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can vouch that being married to a European citizen does NOT automatically open the rest of Europe. Only count on the country one's spouse is from - in this case the UK. There may be other options, but that's a case by case basis, per country.
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danielle86



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
Thank you very much for getting back to me.
No, we are not married and don't have any plans to do so in the near future.

Spiral78- how have you been able to work for 14 years now? Which countries have you managed to get work visas for? Was getting a teaching job more difficult in the application process because you are American? Did you find many schools knocked you back?
Thank you for the link to Schengen zone. I will check it out.

Justin - same to you, have you managed to work in Europe at all or is basically not even worth us thinking about at this point would you say?

Has anybody had the chance to get paid work in Africa? I have looked at quite a few sites and it primarily seems to be voluntary. Meaning we would have to save a lot of money prior to make it possible. I am really keen to go teach there.

Thank you all again, I really appreciate it. I'm not so hot on searching the internet for some things so I really value first hand knowledge like this. Thank you.
Danielle. x
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he is licensed in the states, he will be able to get a job in a British state school. As for language schools around Europe, he might get took on but always remember that anyone who refuses to follow the law won't be the best employer around and say for example - employer refuses to pay your boyfriend for whatever reason - you have no legal recourse.

As for you not being all that good at researching various options - you are not 6 years old anymore - get a grip, you are a grown up now! Because when the solids hit the aircon - the authorities won't accept your ignorance of the situation if you get caught. Shocked
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danielle86



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer- I am really grateful for your advice but please dont call me immature. I am just saying that I find making my way through lots of legal jargon a little daunting and I really appreciate people telling me how they have actually found it. Rather than me just reading the ins and outs without really being told the reality of a situation.

Before we chose a country of course we would research the laws and limitations so as not to be left 'empty handed' so to speak. I was just entering this discussion board to discuss what experiences Americans have had working and travelling throughout the world.

I do appreciate your comment about being sure of everything and being aware of employers though, thank you.
Are you American? Do you teach abroad? How have you found it?
Thank you
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

danielle86 wrote:
wiganer- I am really grateful for your advice but please dont call me immature. I am just saying that I find making my way through lots of legal jargon a little daunting and I really appreciate people telling me how they have actually found it. Rather than me just reading the ins and outs without really being told the reality of a situation.

Before we chose a country of course we would research the laws and limitations so as not to be left 'empty handed' so to speak. I was just entering this discussion board to discuss what experiences Americans have had working and travelling throughout the world.

I do appreciate your comment about being sure of everything and being aware of employers though, thank you.
Are you American? Do you teach abroad? How have you found it?
Thank you


Three years in Korea, same amount of time in China, two years in Spain and 18 months in Argentina where I was illegal (so was every teacher except for the nice people at IH). I know what it is like to be illegal - even with the compliance of the Argentinian authorities who did not care - it was still very hard. Lifestyle and food and architecture are great at first but when you wake to the sound of an alarm clock and life is unpredictable and difficult because your lack of legal status means that even things like finding a decent place to rent is impossible (well in Argentina) even joining the library is a no-no, it doesn't take much for the applecart to mentally turn over.

As far as I can see it Danielle - and forgive me for being blunt. Your boyfriend can find work in Europe BUT he isn't afforded anything like the protection and benefits you would be and the employers who hire him know this, they are doing it for their benefit rather than your boyfriends which means he can lose out at anytime and have no recourse. Americans don't have the opportunities that British people have - we have all of Europe open as well as everywhere else that American job seekers are welcomed to teach. Is it fair? Well I am not allowed to work in America so I suppose it is not about the situation being fair... my advice for working in Europe is that your boyfriend is going to need a lot more money than you. I'd say around four times more. I agree with Spiral78 with all that she says but one thing I would differ is if you really want to do it (I did it) is come with a lot of money so if you are caught with your pants down - you will be able to fly home.

I am from Wigan so there is a clue where I am from! Very Happy My advice - get your savings and move to Ecuador or Mexico where you can both find work and become legal. Another place where you can both go and get legalised within the country is Chile, there are university jobs, public school jobs and private language school jobs to be had there.


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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you narrow it down to a couple countries or a continent we could help you out more. As some people mentioned, it's difficult for Americans to find work. But in other places, such as Asia, they're on level grounds with other nationalities.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Spiral78- how have you been able to work for 14 years now? Which countries have you managed to get work visas for? Was getting a teaching job more difficult in the application process because you are American? Did you find many schools knocked you back?
Thank you for the link to Schengen zone. I will check it out.


I am pretty sure that almost none of my experience will apply to your boyfriend, but all right:

I have worked in the CR, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, and Canada. I have done project work in 6 other countries, mostly Russia.
How I did it:
1. Started off in a country where US citizens can get legal work permits
2. married an EU citizen
3. earned specialist qualifications that allowed me eligibility for exceptional visas

I never bothered to apply for jobs that I knew I wasn't going to be accepted legally to do. I am not interested in illegal work - not useful on a CV.

Now, back to my original advice:

If you are serious about trying Europe, focus on the European countries where Americans can still get legal work visas. That would be the Czech Rep, Poland, Slovakia, etc. Then, go read current threads on those boards below. There is lots of relevent and current info there.
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