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Evanzinho



Joined: 18 Apr 2008
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Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:09 am    Post subject: Bouncing around Reply with quote

I'm interested to hear about other's experiences in "bouncing" between different countries teaching English every couple of years. For example, teaching for a few years in Korea, then heading down to teach in Taiwan for a couple of years, then maybe over to Hong Kong for a year, then over to Japan and so on.

Has anyone on here ever done something like this? Is this idea at all feasable? Care to share your experiences? The vagabond in me is curious...
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tttompatz



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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Bouncing around Reply with quote

Evanzinho wrote:
I'm interested to hear about other's experiences in "bouncing" between different countries teaching English every couple of years. For example, teaching for a few years in Korea, then heading down to teach in Taiwan for a couple of years, then maybe over to Hong Kong for a year, then over to Japan and so on.

Has anyone on here ever done something like this? Is this idea at all feasable? Care to share your experiences? The vagabond in me is curious...


If you are doing this as a gap year or 2 thing then it is a money losing proposition. In many places the start-up costs outweigh the benefits for someone who will only be there for a year or two. This is ESPECIALLY true for entry level or minimally qualified individuals.

Not a big deal for those who are in it for the long haul.

Unless you are tied to one particular country by family or marriage then, at the risk of sounding more like a mercenary than a teacher, since we are typically on one or two year contracts (3 if you are lucky) you look to the next contract and better a remuneration package.

If that means changing countries then so be it.

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Mrs McClusky



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have bounced around 9 countries, excellent life experience, but I am usually broke!
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the thing about moving around is that it usually takes a local reputation and local contacts to get the better jobs going.
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Justin Trullinger



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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sort of a slow bouncer- a few years here, a few there...like the "not to sound mercenary poster," I tend to be looking to improve conditions with the moves, but I'm flexible about where, exactly.

If you want to bounce, and not be broke, you need to go slow, or to get in with an international organisation. I know several "bouncers" within British Council circles who seem to be doing well, and pretty much moving every two years.

Getting teacher training qualifications is another good way to bounce and stay solvent- it's a long-termer's option, though, as the experience required means you have to have been in the game for quite a while before you can get into it...

Best,
Justin
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe with the BC you have to 'bounce' along. As far as I know, no long-term contracts in one location, for much the same reason embassy officials get moved around. Which is what the BC really is: an adjunct of sorts to the British Embassy.
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you at least have a choice of where you can bounce to in the British Council?

And what about chain schools like International House - does that make transfering easier?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[i]And what about chain schools like International House - does that make transfering easier?[/i


]Yeah - but I think their pay is entry-level most places.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mozzar wrote:
Do you at least have a choice of where you can bounce to in the British Council?

And what about chain schools like International House - does that make transfering easier?


In truth, I don't know how the inner working are at the BC, but I suspect one doesn't 'bounce' anywhere there. There must be a far more official-sounding term for it. 'Submit a request for a transfer' or something...

As for IH, they try to use their internal transfer system as a selling-point during recruitment. And it's true. If you are already in a dump IH school somewhere in the world, you'll be given first choice when the next round of vacancies crop up. But only with a decent PDI form attached to your application ( more jargon - don't ask...)

However, as Spiral says, you're still on entry-level wages, though this time in a different blighted location.
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oxi



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bounced around in some interesting places, usually low paid, for one or two years each. Now I'm reasonably settled in Hong Kong and have been here five years.

Re. British Council:-

Teachers normally do a 2 year contract, then can do one more, ie. 4 years total, then have to move elsewhere.

Some places are more relaxed about it and find loopholes. When I was in Delhi they just invented new job titles and began the cycle again - eg. some teachers became 'young learner coordinators'. In Hong Kong, lots of people go onto local contracts - so they get the salary but don't get airfares home, insurance, etc.

You make your own choice where to move - you just look at the jobs advertised. But as you're applying for a new job you have to interview again and can be accepted or rejected. One issue that can crop up is leaving and starting dates overlapping, which can usually be sorted with flexible line managers. Another is being left in limbo if you decide to leave, but you've got nothing set up for the next job.

Money usually ok, bit better than other jobs like IH. Not as good as international schools.
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Trinley



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Bouncing around Reply with quote

Evanzinho wrote:
I'm interested to hear about other's experiences in "bouncing" between different countries teaching English every couple of years. For example, teaching for a few years in Korea, then heading down to teach in Taiwan for a couple of years, then maybe over to Hong Kong for a year, then over to Japan and so on.

Has anyone on here ever done something like this? Is this idea at all feasable? Care to share your experiences? The vagabond in me is curious...


This is entirely feasible and seems to be what many 'ESL abroad' teachers do anyway. I did a year in China, 2 in Quebec, one in France, and a semester in Tokyo. Next I'm thinking Korea and Turkey. The vagabond in you will keep finding another place to go. It's an interesting way to spend 5 years or so.

As it has been pointed out, if your goal is saving money, it may not be the best plan given the start-up costs on arrival. Schools that pay for flight and housing make this much easier. Also, in my case there were usually a few months between my contracts, so I would be spending money on holiday in India or something.

For the countries you mentioned, you would need a degree, a TEFL certificate, and some experience. The order you listed sounds good -- start off in Korea where you can find work without experience (I'm assuming you're just getting started), end up in Japan where they prefer several years' experience.
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd always worried that if I bounced around that I'd never be able to have a decent job and that one day I'd wake up as a 35 year old doing the same job as a newbie fresh from university. Sad
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Trinley



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mozzar wrote:
I'd always worried that if I bounced around that I'd never be able to have a decent job and that one day I'd wake up as a 35 year old doing the same job as a newbie fresh from university. Sad


I hear that. That's why I say it's a good adventure for 5 years. There's not a lot of advancement possible within that career, unless you want to go on to being the director of language school or something. But I think the resourceful individual can use the international experience as a launching pad for a variety of other careers.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to actually do it. I picked up a husband in one country and will be picking up a kid in another. You get more baggage with each country and just want to stick with one for a while.

Once you start getting older, you want to put down roots. Plus, it's expensive to up and leave and start all over again. Too often you have to literally start at the bottom of the ladder.

mozzar wrote:
I'd always worried that if I bounced around that I'd never be able to have a decent job and that one day I'd wake up as a 35 year old doing the same job as a newbie fresh from university. Sad


Exactly, still not 30, but I'd like to stay where I am for a while.
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Trinley



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
It's hard to actually do it. I picked up a husband in one country and will be picking up a kid in another. You get more baggage with each country and just want to stick with one for a while.

Once you start getting older, you want to put down roots. Plus, it's expensive to up and leave and start all over again. Too often you have to literally start at the bottom of the ladder.


I can sympathize with your experience, but I think it should be stated more subjectively. You might say "It was hard for me to do it. I want to put down roots." Very Happy

Experience is subjective the the individual and their lifestyle. It was easy for me to do it, and I didn't want to put down roots. I enjoyed not collecting baggage, practicing getting better at it each time. I enjoyed the nomadic existence of owning only what I could carry. I found a thrill in that.

For an unmarried person with no kids, it could be a great time in your life, and possibly the only time in your life, to experience living abroad in several countries. It's a rare opportunity to see the world, and it will be a lot harder when you have a family and a mortgage.
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