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gloomyGumi
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 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:17 am Post subject: Malaysia: BA in English/3 yrs exp ONLY? |
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But no certificate whatsoever......is it a government requirement to have a cert to teach in Malaysia? YES or NO, please. PLEASE???!!  |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Malaysia: BA in English/3 yrs exp ONLY? |
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| gloomyGumi wrote: |
| But no certificate whatsoever......is it a government requirement to have a cert to teach in Malaysia? YES or NO, please. PLEASE???!! |
It depends upon what you are teaching.
If you are teaching ESL/EFL/ESOL, the certificate is very nice to have.
If you are teaching English as a subject (Composition, English Lit, Creative Writing), an ESL cert doesn't mean much, but a degree does.
If you are teaching Engineering in Malay, then you need to show a degree in engineering and fluency in Malay.
This country is churning out its own degree holders in TESOL and TESL, so the use of U Cambridge and other certs is less pervasive than, say, Korea, Japan or China. The colleges rather prefer people with bachelors and masters degrees in the field in which you teach (and it is getting to be a MOE/MQA requirement). Thus, a TESL/TEFL teacher nowdays needs a degree in that field. BUT, they still like "native" speakers so that still leaves room for westerners who grew up in an English-speaking environment.
No absolutes.
Give it a go, see who hires you. |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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great. i love giving things a go. i also like places that arent carved in stone. with their laws. yeah, i'm not very risk-averse. i prefer wild chaos over orderly boredom. i like dangerous places too. if there are no absolues in malaysia, it could be just miy kinda place. thanks for that info.  |
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KayuJati
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gloomyGumi
Here is an example of a job opening. It was in yesterday's Star newspaper for a well-known private university, at one of their KL campuses.
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Third Language Lecturers/English Lecturers TESL/TESOL
Requirement: Possess a minimum Master Degree with basic degree in related field with teaching experience.
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No mention of a cert in TEFL/TESL/TESOL, but degrees a MUST. You will note that the Masters degree is a minimum requirement, which is getting to be the case more each year. Still, there are schools that hire Bachelor degree holders and then, once employed, encourage them to begin working on a Masters degree while working. My college does this as there are a lot of weekend Masters programs being run in Malaysia. (I managed one such course for three years.) |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| thx kayu--------would that be a masters in english then??? or education? |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| gloomyGumi wrote: |
| thx kayu--------would that be a masters in english then??? or education? |
As I read it, and as it appears to apply based upon other cases I know, is that the bachelors degree must be in the field in which you will teach, but the masters degree does not have to be in that field. It does sound strange, but as I have said, I know of several cases where it has been applied as such.
E.g.,
Indian (Tamil) friend with BSc in Chemistry, and MBA in Marketing, was told he could teach chemistry, but not marketing, since the initial degree was in chemistry.
Malay man with Bach in Syariah Law and MSc in Info Tech, was told he could only teach Islamic subjects.
Now, most people get two degrees in the same field, so it isn't generally a problem. If you have a bach in English, then probably your masters can be in anything else and you could still teach English. |
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gloomyGumi
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i have a masters in int'l business from a great uni in usa. do ou know if
Malaysia requires APOSTILLES on documents?? this would be a bummer as i cannot obtain these from korea---itrequires various steps to be performed WITHIN the usa. i cannot do it. i have an original bach left, my last one. but only photocopies of masters transcripts. |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| gloomyGumi wrote: |
i have a masters in int'l business from a great uni in usa. do ou know if
Malaysia requires APOSTILLES on documents?? this would be a bummer as i cannot obtain these from korea---itrequires various steps to be performed WITHIN the usa. i cannot do it. i have an original bach left, my last one. but only photocopies of masters transcripts. |
Yes, they require apostilles but anyone with a stamp "Certified True Copy" can do it for you. I had one of those stamps when I was a program director. They like to see blue ink in the signature since black ink might look like a photocopied signature. |
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Nemodot
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Just a Warning about Malaysian private universities. They will hire almost anyone but pay lousy. A friend of my ex graduated from one and got 2,500 rm per month as a lecturer. No wp. Many of the jobs in Malaysia are illegal and badly paid.
Think what those course are like if they employ just about anyone! Also some dodgy practices such as grades for sale.... Often benefit in kind  which is great for young male lecturers out for a jolly but if you want a career I would stay clear and become properly qualified as a teacher or do a phd and become a proper lecturer.
As for all that stamping and notification I never really understood why in Asian countries great store is put in someone, who has paid a small fee, just stamping a photocopy. Maybe a leftover from the british colonial days??? Btw as I have had this post notarised and stamped by an authorised official I am totally correct lol |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Nemodot wrote: |
Just a Warning about Malaysian private universities. They will hire almost anyone but pay lousy. A friend of my ex graduated from one and got 2,500 rm per month as a lecturer. No wp. Many of the jobs in Malaysia are illegal and badly paid.
Think what those course are like if they employ just about anyone! Also some dodgy practices such as grades for sale.... Often benefit in kind which is great for young male lecturers out for a jolly but if you want a career I would stay clear and become properly qualified as a teacher or do a phd and become a proper lecturer.
As for all that stamping and notification I never really understood why in Asian countries great store is put in someone, who has paid a small fee, just stamping a photocopy. Maybe a leftover from the british colonial days??? Btw as I have had this post notarised and stamped by an authorised official I am totally correct lol |
Yes, you are correct about the private uni's. They prefer the "fresh" graduates so that they can pay low wages and increase the company's bottom (profit) line; in fact, several of these uni's are publicly-listed companies on the KLSE and, thus, answerable to shareholders (e.g., SEGI).
I think that the stamping/verifying is a relic of the Brits also and find it annoying. My HR department has multiple copies of my transcripts, resume, and passport because each year they ask me for 'fresh copy' so that they can apply a 'fresh stamp'. Ridiculous, but one must play the game. But I suppose it helps employment since the gov't has to hire extra people to 'verify' that copies are certified and true. |
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Nemodot
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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And where is your notorised copy of this post? In triplicate signed by you, your lawyer and three witnesses and stamped? Please scan that in and post. But then you need to notarise that...... Lol
The joys of Asia! |
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AniMohd
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| Hi everyone. I'm new here. I'm hoping to open an EFL/ESL school in KL in 6 months or as soon as I get my school licensed by the local education board, whichever comes first. I'd appreciate suggestions on recruiting American, Canadian or British teachers, especially in terms of qualifications and salary expectations. |
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Nemodot
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| AniMohd wrote: |
| Hi everyone. I'm new here. I'm hoping to open an EFL/ESL school in KL in 6 months or as soon as I get my school licensed by the local education board, whichever comes first. I'd appreciate suggestions on recruiting American, Canadian or British teachers, especially in terms of qualifications and salary expectations. |
Hi assuming you are Malaysian, as being non Malaysian or at least not having non Malaysian partners means you have no chance of setting anything up, you have two choices
1. Be a cowboy like most english schools in Malaysia. Pay too little for a work permit, have your "staff" on tourist visas and have a high staff turnover. Employ anyone young and pretty with a fake degree cert from Thailand.
2. Pay at least 5,000 rm and go through the hassle of getting work permits but focus on getting properly qualified staff.
I reccomend 2 but do you even have a business plan? I mean a real one not a malaysian business plan (aka as fairy tales in my commercial experience) If you have a proper business plan you will know what you can afford.
You will need a director of studies (dos) paid say 7-8k and they should have a Delta plus degree at least. Then staff with celta plus degrees plus 2 years experience.
You need to decide what courses you are providing and are you going to be an exam centre? If the latter you need staff experienced in exams
Advertise on tefl.com and here. |
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AniMohd
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| Thanks Nemodot. I really appreciate the feedback. Yes, I'm Malaysian. I was thinking of around RM 4, 000 for the salary as there are plenty of apartments within walking distance around the area which don't come as expensive as places like downtown KL, Sri Hartamas, Bangsar, Mont Kiara or the like. And possibly renting a place for the teachers to share as a package, but don't know how keen teachers might be with that idea. I know of a pub (I think it's Irish, but I may be wrong) about a 5-minute cab drive away. |
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AniMohd
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| I don't plan on being a test center, at least not just yet. It's a possible long-term goal, though we're located not too far from the LRT that takes you to the British Council to take your IELTS. So, another question, if you don't mind. Most of the English centers here use an integrated skills series, the Cutting Edge by Pearson Longman. Personally, I prefer the content in Headway but find the layout in the book crammed. Any series out there that are better than these, or should I just go with specialized skills per hour per day? Which would be more beneficial to students? |
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