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saj88
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:19 pm Post subject: Thailand internships |
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Hi I am looking to do a 5-6 month teaching internship in Thailand, and was wondering if anyone has any experience with/ heard of i-To-i or ESLstarter?
I am also a bit unsure about what a reasonable monthly budget would be if accomodtaion was already paid for?
Any advice will be reallly appreciated! |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Thailand internships |
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saj88 wrote: |
Hi I am looking to do a 5-6 month teaching internship in Thailand, and was wondering if anyone has any experience with/ heard of i-To-i or ESLstarter?
I am also a bit unsure about what a reasonable monthly budget would be if accomodtaion was already paid for?
Any advice will be reallly appreciated! |
If you have a degree, a passport from an anglophone country and want to work then jump on a plane and be here for late April.
The chances of finding work (with non-b visa and work permit) are 100% and is about as difficult as stepping off a curb.
If you don't have a degree then the chances of legal work are "0"% (no visa and no work permit) but there is work to be found (wages in the 15-25k range).
There are NO "internships" as ESL teachers in Thailand. It is either legal work or illegal work (see above).
If you are a native speaker and have a degree then you should get about 30-35k THB per month as a "fresh-off-the-plane newbie.
You can live modestly in BKK and reasonably well out in the provinces on that. (Our family usually spends about 20k per month (rent, utilities, internet, groceries and restaurants) but we don't live in BKK, spend much time in the bar or spend our weekends at soi cowboy either)).
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MaiPenRai

Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 390 Location: BKK
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:15 am Post subject: |
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As Tom says, the "internship" label is not really what it seems. Many 'Placement agencies' and 'TEFL schools' and combinations of those 2 are using this phrase to mean a guaranteed job placement (in most cases anyways).
Now, there is nothing inherently wrong with these programs for some people. As Tom says, it is relatively easy finding working teaching EFL in Thailand, especially if you come in March/April/May, BUT while it may be easy, it still requires a lot of work and good attitude. What the good 'placement agencies' do is all the leg work for you. They find the school, organize the visas and work permit, provide accommodation or help finding, provide some kind of framework for what you should be teaching, etc.
For someone right off the boat, these things can be daunting, especially if it is your first time abroad. Add the intense heat, rain downpours, lack of language knowledge, lack of knowledge about Thai schools, being in a new huge city, having few or no connections or friends, etc. and finding a job in Thailand or Bangkok can become a big task. Not everybody wants to spend their first few weeks in Thailand doing all those things, especially if they only plan on staying for a few months-1 year. My experiences with teachers using these services is that many of them want to travel and enjoy Thailand before they do the EFL 'experience'. Finish work, travel a bit more and then head home or on to another country.
They provide a service and if you don't need that service, you shouldn't use them, but they can be a good starting place for a new 'teacher'. Spend a semester getting to know the law of the land and then move on to bigger and better opportunities.
The downside is that the jobs they offer are usually at the less attractive schools and/or less attractive areas of Thailand, but that is all relative as well. Large class sizes are common, poor resources are common, poor communication between school and foreign teachers is common, lack of clear educational vision (especially for EFL) is common, smaller Thai communities is common, lack of western comforts is common, etc.
It takes time, experience and knowledge to land the better jobs.
Ive heard lots about i-to-i and it hasn't been great. In my opinion, there are better 'placement companies' and/or 'TEFL schools' to do this type of program with.
As Tom says, in Bangkok you would want 35-40,000 baht/month to be comfortable with no savings and outside Bangkok you would want 25-30 to be comfortable. Its all relative to your lifestyle. Thailand is a place where it is relatively easy to be poor, but much more fun to have enough to take some vacations to the islands and such.
Best of luck. (apologies for spelling and grammar, im in a rush today) |
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saj88
Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quick reply and advice!I'm just weighing up all my options at the moment, you say that there are better placement companies to do this with, could you recommend any? |
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tttompatz

Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Posts: 1951 Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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saj88 wrote: |
Thanks for the quick reply and advice!I'm just weighing up all my options at the moment, you say that there are better placement companies to do this with, could you recommend any? |
No, not saying better placement companies. In Thailand they are all crap (almost without exception).
If you don't have a degree then it won't matter which one you go with. They will all sell you a TEFL course with the promise of helping you find work. You cannot get legal work without a degree so.... guess where that leaves you (abroad with a TEFL cert and no legal work - kinda makes you like those illegal Mexican workers, huh.)
Yes, saying that if you have a degree and are a native speaker there are better employment options and finding that "good job" is a simple matter of being on the ground at the right time (late April). You will only find crap from abroad. Read a few ads and take your resume round to the school(s) directly and you will get work.
The process:
i) Get a 60-day (double entry is nice) tourist visa.
ii) Land in BKK
iii) Find a region in the country that you would like to spend a year in.
iv) Find a school.
v) Get a job. Get your visa changed from 60-day tourist to non-b.
vi) THEN get your housing arranged.
vii) Your work permit will happen sometime in the next month or so.
viii) Get your non-b extended.
ix) get your work permit extended.
x) Complete your year.
xi) Repeat as required OR extend if you have that great job and want to stay longer than a year.
Yes, it seems daunting from your desk at home but it really isn't.
Think like you are going on vacation. After you land you grab a job (really, in April they are falling off the trees), you settle in and get comfortable (unpack your suitcase) and get to know your new home.
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MaiPenRai

Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 390 Location: BKK
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:15 am Post subject: |
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No, not saying better placement companies. In Thailand they are all crap (almost without exception). |
As I have experience doing work with quite a few of these agencies, I can say that this is partially true, BUT once AGAIN, these placements agencies are perfect for some people. If you dont need or want to use them then just dont. And understand what you are getting into before you accept.
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You will only find crap from abroad. |
Actually the top schools in Thailand ONLY hire from abroad (90% anyways).
This term "crap" is very subjective and relative to the needs and wants of the prospective teacher.
1. Not everyone wants to be in Bangkok
2. Not everyone wants to stay for 1 year
3. Some people prefer to have the messy work done for them so they can enjoy life. **If an agency does not provide or help with accomm and do the paperwork and help with visas and work permits, then they become nearly pointless.
4. Some people WANT to have a unique experience. AND yes, that means living and working in a more rural community, working in poorer schools, not having western comforts, etc.
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i) Get a 60-day (double entry is nice) tourist visa.
ii) Land in BKK |
Yep, easy.
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iii) Find a region in the country that you would like to spend a year in. |
not so easy. what most people would say are the nicest areas (beaches, Chiang Mai, other touristy areas) in Thailand are extremely competitive for jobs and often pay lower salaries because its an employers market.
Finding where you like could take weeks or months to visit all of your prospective choices. Not everyone has time, money or want to do that. Doing a 4-5 month stint with an agency gives people the opportunity to see what "teaching" is like and also explore other areas on weekends and holidays. I know a lot of people who worked with agencies for 1 term and did exactly that.
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iv) Find a school. |
fairly easy depending on the location. However, it is easy to say this is simple when you have done it before, maybe a few times and in different countries. Most are first timers and many have never really traveled and lived overseas. Once again, "easy" is relative.
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Get a job. Get your visa changed from 60-day tourist to non-b. |
Does your new school know how to do this? many don't. Many will have you go up to Laos to get your Non-B visa. This is fine but expect it to cost about 5-7000 baht (inc visa fees). Hopefully your school is well versed on current visa regulations. Many are not.
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vi) THEN get your housing arranged
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In most areas of Bangkok and other touristy places, this should not be a problem. But for anyone wanting live in the provinces and/or smaller communities, this can be more of a task. In fact, this can be very difficult in some cases.
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vii) Your work permit will happen sometime in the next month or so. |
Tell that to the hundreds if not thousands of teachers waiting for their school to get their work permits sorted. I know many teachers who have had to get multiple Non-B Visas because someone at the school dropped the ball and didnt get the paperwork right or didnt do it at all.
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viii) Get your non-b extended.
ix) get your work permit extended. |
If you have made it this far this shouldn't be a problem, but if you have any issues with your school and the wrong people are "taking care of things", you might have issues here as well.
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x) Complete your year. |
Assuming you wanted to stay a year. Nothing worse than someone who takes a job for a year knowing they have no intentions to finish the year out. They leave during the break giving all other foreigners a bad rep.
This is one of the benefits of most agencies. It is common for them to offer 1 term contracts which is appealing to many people who are just testing the waters or looking for something to get started while they explore better opportunities.
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Think like you are going on vacation. After you land you grab a job (really, in April they are falling off the trees), you settle in and get comfortable (unpack your suitcase) and get to know your new home. |
Living out a huge suitcase(s) with all my belongings traveling from city to city looking for work doesnt really sound like a vacation to me. Yes, in April, there are many jobs available. BUT the reason it is so easy to find work at this time is that the schools are desperate and quite often it is because nobody wants to work there. Also it could mean that the school didnt bother looking for teachers until 2 days before school starts which shows they are unorganized and probably wont be on the ball with other important issues (like visas, work permits, payday). Sometimes you are in the right place at the right time and land a great job at that time, but dont count on it.
Once again, based on my experiences talking with hundreds if not thousands of teachers working at agencies over the past 6-7 years, a major reason they take these agency (TEFL school guarantee) jobs is because they want to have a vacation where they can relax knowing they have a job, an apartment and a visa/work permit sorted and dealt with. They don't want to do the dirty work. And contrary to popular belief, many of these teachers do sign up for a 2nd term or more.
So, now you have tons of info on BOTH sides of the coin. Agencies are a business and yes they do make money doing what they do. No you wont get a much higher salary at the same schools if the agency wasnt there, contrary to popular belief. Yes, most government schools in Thailand are overcrowded and underfunded (or senior admin is skimming money...no new textbooks but Ajarn Jib is driving a new Benz).
The good agencies take care of the many issues we dont like to worry about (for the teachers AND the schools).
Neither is inherently better or worse. Whatever you do, do your homework and have a good idea of what you are getting into.
Best of luck! |
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