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M. Ed TESOL worth it at my age?

 
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overhere



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: M. Ed TESOL worth it at my age? Reply with quote

I am interesting in teaching ..I will turn 50 this May..I have unrelated masters but am looking at a M.Ed in TESOl from the University of Missouri (distant learning)...I am also planning to pursue a CELTA...I have been volunteering as an ESL instructor and most of my work experience has been in career development and coprorate training. I have also had taught at a couple of colleges as an adjunct instructor.

I am an American citizen and native speaker.

My main interest in teaching adults or in an university setting...I love Asia but am also open to South America or the Middle East.



I guess I am wondering if the M.ED will help me overcome the age barrier I may face? Also would a M.Ed in TESOL be an advantage if you already have an unrelated masters?

I plan to pursue the masters either way, if nothing else to be better prepared in the classroom, however, I am interested in your thoughts.

Thanks!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In many places in Asia, your age is something employers actually look for! They tend to revere people with more life experience in some cases.

Plenty of people in their 50s working in Japan, for example.

But just a master's degree will not get you a uni job in Japan, regardless of age. See the FAQ stickies at the top of the Japan forum for more info.

Teaching adults often means business English. No master's is needed there, either. What employers often look for is a degree suitable for immigration to offer a visa, and the right experience in a field that is the same as their clients, so they know the lingo.

But, just where in "Asia" had you hoped to work? It's a big place.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The better question might be whether the M Ed TESOL is worth it at any age. Where does it get you ahead? The Middle East. But they usually don't accept distance degrees there. (Which brings up another question: Is it worth doing an M Ed TESOL in person? Sure, if you are extremely sure you want to work in the Middle East, and for quite a few years. Because economically, you'll have to make up the cost of the degree PLUS the years of lost earnings from when you were sitting in the classroom rather than working.)

Not sure where else the M Ed TESOL is a significant help. Maybe Hong Kong? Japan? I don't know; others can say.

In any decision to pursue higher education, if you want it to make economic sense, you have to first figure out what job you want. Does it require a particular degree? How much will it cost to get the degree, in tuition and in opportunity cost? Will there be a payoff, and if so, how far in the future?

If you are starting by saying, "I have the degree picked out; what job can I get with it?" then you are going about it backwards, from a dollars and cents perspective. Maybe you don't need the degree in the first place!

I respect that there can be other reasons to pursue education, besides pure dollars and cents. That is fine. But, as with any other good or service you might wish to purchase, you have to be able to afford it. So it's still dollars and cents!

Good luck to you.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No distance degrees are accepted in the Middle East? Strange.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james2187 wrote:
No distance degrees are accepted in the Middle East? Strange.

I think some are. And it depends. I know I was looking in the ME and it seemed that in the Min of Ed they weren't accepted, but in the MIin of Higher Ed they were.
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overhere said
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...if nothing else to be prepared in the classroom.


You already have a Masters (if unrelated) and some experience at teaching, either as an ESL instructor or at corporate training. It might be possible to get accepted onto a DELTA course, which generally requires about 2 years of experience and which would give you lots of very practical training for the classroom.

Some American MA TESOL programmes do not incorporate a practical teaching element, and are predominantly theory-based, which doesn't seem to be what you want (need?). Check out the MA curriculum content carefully before deciding/investing.

Good luck whatever you choose to do.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
james2187 wrote:
No distance degrees are accepted in the Middle East? Strange.

I think some are. And it depends. I know I was looking in the ME and it seemed that in the Min of Ed they weren't accepted, but in the MIin of Higher Ed they were.


I don't have any firsthand knowledge. I was just going by what people said in the ME forum here on Dave's.

Does anyone know what other opportunities open up, outside the ME, when you have the Master's in TESOL? And how much they pay?
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Chamomile



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An MA can get you a university position in Korea (actually, a few of the rural universities will even consider someone with a BA, if they have a few years experience). The pay isn't much better for some of these positions than jobs that you could get with a BA, but you're teaching a lot fewer hours and getting a lot more vacation time than you would at a typical after-school kids' academy. The kids' academies usually pay the equivalent of about $2000/month, plus a free apartment and airfare. Even with the high cost of living in Korea, it's still possible to put quite a bit of money into savings.

Of course, some people earn a lot more than that.

Check the Korean job listings.

I don't know what the universities are currently paying.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
Does anyone know what other opportunities open up, outside the ME, when you have the Master's in TESOL? And how much they pay?


Peru, about 5 to 10 dollars an hour. Good hours, but often unpaid vacation.
Korea, maybe 1.8 to 3.7 mil a month. GOod hours and vacations.
China, maybe 3000 to 10,000 yuan. BUt good hours and vacation.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:


Does anyone know what other opportunities open up, outside the ME, when you have the Master's in TESOL? And how much they pay?


I would guess it makes TEFL jobs in your home country a lot more viable. A local college in my UK hometown has an International Campus offering IELTS and other EFL classes. I've seen them offer nice positions, with generous hourly rates and sensible workloads.

Although they dont specify an MA as a being required, I would guess candidates frequently do have them (as well as having good quality EFL experience). There are decent TEFL jobs everywhere, an MA and decent experience gives you an edge in getting them.

Unfortunately...I dont have either an MA or great quality experience!
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