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jgarma · Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 6

Hello All,

I wanted to warn everyone about a school in WZ, C h in a. I was made aware upon starting work there that "they are going to teach me how to pick up on the female students", and later I was shown naked pictures of students. And I am now enduring harassment from my co-workers because I won't join them in picking up and take naked pictures of our students. The harassment is extensive, from old students showing up and acting like lumps in my class to confusions of ONLY my classes and class times, to snide UNTRUE comments regarding my sexuality because I have refused to help them: they have spread a rumor that I'm gay (I'm not gay). I believe (one of the predators said this directly - and yes, I believe him) that some of the Chinese teachers have also fallen pray to the foreigner's control via blackmail.

The company is (school name not included Smile

) in C hi n a (separated to be excluded from searches). Yes, management has been told, and, despite our contracts stating that inappropriate relationships in and around the school is prohibited nothing has been done: e.g. with co-workers, staff, and students. I have taken precautionary measures such as naming names, times, photos, phone numbers, and email address and sending it all to friends, relatives, and three different Embassies, just in case this is an organized international pornography ring.

DosEquisX · Joined: 09 Dec 2010 Posts: 361

Not sure if this is a troll or a serious post. I mean, these comments are pretty strong and probably not wise to post on the internet unless you have very convincing proof to back up these comments.

I wouldn't have told anybody but the authorities that type of information. Letting out names to everybody and their dead mother could actually complicate things.

Ultimately, report to the authorities via a Chinese friend then gtfo of the country.

7969 · Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong

if you think you can back it up, report them to the police or else quit and move on. nothing anyone on this forum has to say will make a difference. Embassies don't care either, this is way out of their jurisdiction so you're wasting your time there too. i don't see the point in naming the school either.

How old are the students? are the photos being taken in school or somewhere else? This may not even be illegal.

daCabbie · Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Posts: 244

Don't rock the boat. The school is probably corrupt from the bottom to the top and NO ONE CARES! You will not get them to change. The authorities, their mothers, nobody can make them change.

Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Move on and forget about those losers.

Good luck. PM anyone on this board if you have to bail and need a place to go, somebody here will try to help.

wiganer · Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 189

If the students are above the age of consent, are adults and are willing participants then there is nothing you can do. If they are cavorting with underage students then there is plenty you can do. It depends on the age of the students. I would strongly suggest you find another job though quickly.

nickpellatt · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522

I think its time to find a new job TBH. Im not sure that complaints will get you very far unless you have good guanxi. Walking into an official government building of any sort, without Chinese language skills, on your own, and without knowing someone or having someone 'connected' with you isnt likely to get your voice heard IMO.

It might also stir up a hornets nest and the people who do have guanxi might end up ensuring you are the one who gets stung.

Whilst it may be admirable (and the right thing possibly) to follow one of your options listed in your poll about protecting sexually naive youngsters, it might not be sensible for you. It might also not be realistic.

I think the age of consent is 14 in China. Also bear in mind that although Chinese girls profess a huge amount of innocence and dont have boyfriends, many are covertly sexually active at a young age. When I was at a middle school I heard of a few teenage pregnancies, and when I then moved to a vocational college in the same town, some of the boys there told me how they would take the middle school girl students to hotels for nights of fun. I have also been told by more than one Chinese male friend that its perfectly OK to 'make' the girl have sex with you. I have also seen a note from a student to a teacher informing him that for a few hundred kuai a month, and in return for good grades, she would do whatever the teacher wanted.

Im not condoning any of the above, but pointing it out to suggest that things may not always be as they seem, especially if you are new to China. The protection of students as you mention may not be straightforward and should be avoided. We aint in Kansas, and the rules are different.

There is nothing good about your situation IMO....and the best thing to do is just get out of it. Even if that means losing some money and jumping ship....there is just a world of pain waiting for you in this situation IMO, and I wouldnt want to risk it and would rather cut my losses.

jgarma · Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 6

jgarma · Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 6

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The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing

Just from an outsider's view, I would not be able to advice you on your own personal decisions.

For one, this is China, not the West. Like it or not, the same ethical, manners and etiquette, moral, cultural, etc. standards that you were raised to accept and believe do not apply here.

From what I can see, and from what you have said, it appears as though you are accusing a number of foreigners of basically sexually abusing children, or being people who would.

Now, I do not know what country you are from, but in some western countries you are required by law to report it not only to the local authorities but also the accused's embassy for further investigation.

You talked about some sort of 'line crossing' that I am not familiar with. Is this the same imaginary 'line' that drinkers cross from being drinkers to being pot smokers, and pot smokers into heroin users?

If you want to talk about 'line crossing' then you basically have to go back to the 1880's Old Victorian era and have all ladies dress from neck to toe covered. I believe they dress quite similar in the Middle East in many nations.

But I digress.

Look.....If you are lying, hyping things up, sensationalizing, or making a mountain out of a molehill based on your own religious or personal decision not to engage in any social connection whatsoever to adult college students... I would seriously hope you do 'get out of dodge' because that's the type of baseless allegation that could ruin you or someone else for life.

So let me spare you the trouble:

You have two options. Report. Or not report.

If you have evidence that there are teachers sexually abusing students (especially if they are children), step up and report it to their home embassy.

Some may say that anyone has no moral compass to continue as a teacher if you openly know of abuse, have the ability to stop it, and fail to do so as an adult.

You have to clearly define the ages of the students involved, the number of students involved, and what exact crimes are being committed before you report anything.

If you are talking a 22 year-old business student and a 24 year-old 'oral English teacher' in some community college somewhere who are engaging in a bit of mutual happiness, you're treading clearly into the MYOB factor.

wiganer · Joined: 22 Sep 2010 Posts: 189

jibbs · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 452

Don't have anything to add really, just saying this is one of the strangest posts I've ever seen.

daCabbie · Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Posts: 244

This is nowhere near as strange as the teacher who was fired the first day for being a post-op man/woman/ladyboy. I am unsure of the proper vernacular. He/she couldn't believe they would fire him/her.

I had an experience where other FT's in my town were taking upskirt shots under a table of young women. But this was in a bar, the girls knew it was happening, everyone was enjoying it (except me) and they were not students.

I would also like more details from the OP. No matter what I still stand behind the OP, but details would help everyone to determine if something 'wrong' is happening.

Unethical does not mean illegal. Illegal does not mean unethical. And morality is a whole 'nother class.

Is it a Catholic school situation or average boarding school badboy antics?

flyingscotsman · Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 339 Location: Suzhou, China

I hear alarm bells after reading this post.

Number one, it doesn't sound true.

Number two, if it IS true you are setting yourself up for a large fall. This is China and the Chinese rule it. if you make noise it's very easy for THEM to frame you, hurt you, or make you disappear.

Number three, if it is real and you don't like it - LEAVE. No one is holding you hostage there.

When i was in college I worked my way through school by working at a Teamsters controlled trucking company as a loader. These guys were career thieves and stole everything they could. One night they asked me for my car keys. When I asked them why they told me to shut the f**k up and give them my keys. That night when I got home I looked in the trunk and it was filled with Black and Decker power tools - like 10 of them, all new and boxed. I called my cousin who was a shop-steward at a rival teamsters trucking company and he told me just accept what they give me and don't ever talk about it as they would "accidentally" run me over with the forklift - or worse - one night.

I had a choice, make my teamsters scab labor wage or leave.

You have a choice. You have NO CONTROL over this situation and to speak about puts you in danger - if indeed it is true.