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Vanica
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fladude
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They will be adding a CREDIT REPORT to it eventually too.
Its all about keeping the serfs on the plantation. The good news is the Government is failing. It can't pay its own debts.
We will see when the serfs wake up and demand some freedom. |
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Vanica
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It is like keeping the slaves on the plantation, or behind the iron curtain. Also a way to collect a new database of info on everyone.
Can everyone here recall all their previous addresses? Will there be a problem if you resided previously in certain countries? |
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Kornan DeKobb
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Glad I got out while I could.
Now if your passport expires while you are abroad and you can't answer all the questions, will they make you go back home?
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| Its all about keeping the serfs on the plantation. |
Why isn't the plural of "serf" "serves"? |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Before getting all up in arms, who are these people anyway? I am not saying it won�t happen, or that it couldn�t happen, but anyone can post anything on the website. In the title it says �could�,and if you take the time to read the State Department page, as I did, you will see that it is for people to can�t establish their citizenship by other means, such as a birth certificate, The biographical information requested about the mother is to establish that she lived in the US at the time the person was born, the information about a baptism, or other religious ceremony to to establish that the child was born in the US. That is what it is for, to establish a birth that was outside of a hospital, or not reported at the time. It is not so different from the affidavit of birth form for the same group of people. A form that has been in use for many, many years for people without a birth certificate. It is not entended for use by the vast majority of the population in general, nor for people renewing a passport. So, if you already have a passport, or can easily establish citizenship, then you are good to go. Another example of an alarmist story with a grain of truth, but loads of details left out. What�s the saying? Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is interesting, what they conceal is essential. I think that applies to this article as well. |
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johnslat
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Dear BadBeagleBad,
Clearly you didn't read the posting rules for this thread: No reason, logic, moderation and/or good sense is permitted.
Please take your intelligence elsewhere 
Regards,
John |
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Denizen
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From the State Department website, the only recent changes are:
"Beginning April 1, 2011, the U.S. Department of State will require the full names of the applicant�s parent(s) to be listed on all certified birth certificates to be considered as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for all passport applicants, regardless of age."
I believe this will only be for those who have yet to apply for their first passport.
For other information in case this isn't an option...
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/secondary_evidence/secondary_evidence_4315.html |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Denizen wrote: |
From the State Department website, the only recent changes are:
"Beginning April 1, 2011, the U.S. Department of State will require the full names of the applicant�s parent(s) to be listed on all certified birth certificates to be considered as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for all passport applicants, regardless of age."
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Isn�t that standard anyway? Even if it isn�t the information has to be in the birth record, so again, no problem. |
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Denizen
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| 'Short form' certificates were apparently honored in the past, which excluded the parents names, birthplaces, age and occupation. |
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Vanica
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Dear BadBeagleBad,
Clearly you didn't read the posting rules for this thread: No reason, logic, moderation and/or good sense is permitted.
Please take your intelligence elsewhere
Regards,
John |
It is already in effect.
Response received after sending a comment:
Thank you for your e-mail.
If you are e-mailing regarding the proposed DS-5513, Biographical Questionnaire for a U.S. Passport, we appreciate your interest. We are seriously considering the comments that we continue to receive and may very well incorporate several of the suggestions into a revised version. We would also like to take this opportunity to clarify a few common misconceptions regarding this form.
The Biographical Questionnaire for a U.S. Passport, form DS-5513, is not designed to replace the standard DS-11, Application for a U.S. Passport, but rather to supplement the DS-11 only when the applicant submits citizenship or identity evidence that is insufficient to meet his/her burden of proving citizenship or identity. The Department estimates that such supplemental information will only be requested for a small number of applicants, perhaps less than .5% of the applications we receive annually.
The Department understands that some of the information requested is quite detailed. However, in those instances where an applicant cannot provide sufficient proof of citizenship or identity, it is important for the applicant to provide additional information which will help establish the applicant's United States citizenship or identity.
The Department asks a wide range of questions related to an applicant's birth on the DS-5513, Biographical Questionnaire for a U.S. Passport form in order to accommodate the wide range of birth circumstances of U.S. citizens. Many of these questions may not apply to the majority of applicants; however, for cases where the information may apply, it gives an opportunity to provide additional information that may then support passport issuance.
For information on what documentation is required when submitting a DS-11, please refer to page two of the instructions. |
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Vanica
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Teflers with foreign travel stamps would probably come under the category of those requiring further clarification, don't you think?
I don't know why this was moved to the Current Events forum, judging by the other posts in this category, because I think the changes very much affect teachers abroad with US passports. |
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natsume
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| Vanica wrote: |
Teflers with foreign travel stamps would probably come under the category of those requiring further clarification, don't you think?
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No. If you already have a passport (and one wouldn't be able to "tefl" if one didn't) and file your tax return, it is pretty clear to the government (and yourself, presumably) that you have established the burdon of proof of citizenship. |
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naturegirl321
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| Vanica wrote: |
Teflers with foreign travel stamps would probably come under the category of those requiring further clarification, don't you think?
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No. If you already have a passport (and one wouldn't be able to "tefl" if one didn't) and file your tax return, it is pretty clear to the government (and yourself, presumably) that you have established the burdon of proof of citizenship. |
I guess that's good news. Though my mom's name on my birth cert doesn't match her passport. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: New US passport requirements? |
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http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/571284/why_the_government_could_make_it_nearly_impossible_for_you_to_get_a_passport?page=entire
So the border fence is to keep US citizens locked in. What is a TEFLer to do? |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42765513/ns/travel-travel_tips/
The proposed "biographical form" is intended for those people who are unable to provide the usual proof of citizenship required for a US passport - namely, a birth certificate, consular report of birth abroad or naturalization certificate.
Also See:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html
Updated April 28, 2011
New U.S. Birth Certificate Requirement
Beginning April 1, 2011, the U.S. Department of State will require the full names of the applicant�s parent(s) to be listed on all certified birth certificates to be considered as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for all passport applicants, regardless of age. Certified birth certificates missing this information will not be acceptable as evidence of citizenship. This will not affect applications already in-process that have been submitted or accepted before the effective date.
For more information, see 22 CFR 51.42(a).
To obtain a new birth certificate, see the CDC.
In addition to this requirement, certified copies of birth certificates must also include the following information to be considered acceptable primary evidence of U.S. citizenship:
Full name of the applicant
Date of birth
Place of birth
Raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal of issuing authority
Registrar�s signature
The date the certificate was filed with the registrar�s office (must be within one year)
If you cannot obtain a birth certificate that meets these requirements, please see Secondary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/secondary_evidence/secondary_evidence_4315.html |
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Prof.Gringo
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http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#PrimaryEvCitiz
Present Identification
When applying for a U.S. passport in person, acceptable identification must be presented at the time of application.
Primary Identification (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. passport
Naturalization Certificate
Valid Driver's License
Current Government ID (city, state or federal)
Current Military ID (military and dependents) |
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