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Re-considering due to negativity - gimme some positives!!
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bluesman66



Joined: 27 Feb 2011
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Location: Glasgow, Scotland

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re-considering due to negativity - gimme some positives!! Reply with quote

Hi everyone.

I must begin by saying that having spent the last couple of months trawling this forum, I have been kind of overwhelmed by the wall of negativity which jumps out and grabs me by the throat anytime I log on here. Now...I hasten to add this is not directed at, nor is it attributable to any particular individual. It just seems that there are horror stories a-plenty, coupled with the fact that getting to teach in Japan seems to be something of a nightmare scenario shrouded in red tape and bureaucracy, and i have enough of that MOD EDIT

It's putting me off the idea a tad. Well, for Japan anyway. I'm still keen to do this, so maybe one (or more) of you guys can advise of other routes, and recount more positive avenues and/or experiences. Thanks!!!
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kenishi86



Joined: 07 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with first hand or second hand feedback on experiences in Japan is simply that more times than naught it is going to be bad feedback. Or if you look online, what you will see is usually the bad. This is because people are more likely to make a big fuss over something when it bad. They are unlikely to get on forums, make websites, etc. and tell the world how awesome of a time they had teaching in Japan with X company. There are also a lot of factors that go into whether you'll enjoy Japan too. If you have been there before you'll know what to expect and won't get broadsided by the culture plus the work aspect. Sometimes you'll find the odd blog with someone actually giving a good telling of their time teaching, but these are far and few between in what I have seen. That aside, I know how you feel and basically decided to focus on ALT over eikaiwa since the latter seems to have more bad experiences.

If you want to talk about hearing negative info though. Go over to the Teach in Korea forum. I had considered doing that for awhile but after hearing how they do English teachers there and they MOUNTAIN of horrible experiences I was reading. I decided not to bother.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Re-considering due to negativity - gimme some positives! Reply with quote

bluesman66 wrote:
getting to teach in Japan seems to be something of a nightmare scenario shrouded in red tape and bureaucracy
I don't know where you got that idea.

Red tape. Yeah, a bit, but since you would be expected to get a visa, and they are controlled by government offices, that's normal. But, you have a law degree,
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=930257&highlight=#930257
...which puts you on the eligible list for entry level teaching jobs. Find one that is willing to hire you and sponsor a visa, and the red tape is as smooth as it gets. Perhaps if you explained what is so hard to deal with in this area, we can offer more help.

Finding the job itself is no worse here than most places, I presume. Japan has dozens of job sites online where you can search. Your problem at this moment is the fact that April has started, and so has the academic year, which means there will be fewer "choice" jobs. But nothing of a mystery there.

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maybe one (or more) of you guys can advise of other routes, and recount more positive avenues and/or experiences. Thanks!!!
What "routes" do you want explained? Here's the way to go:

Route 1
You stay where you are and apply to the very few places that hire from abroad. Most of that few will have recruiters stationed abroad (but not in all countries), and you pay your way to the interviews if they accept your application. Usually, you would apply for the work visa before you come.

Route 2
You come to Japan (preferably at a good time), get hired, and apply for the work visa.

FWIW, I took Route 1 after a thorough scouring of the internet (way back in 1997-98 there wasn't much out there to scour, so it took about 6 months for me to lurk and get an idea of what was typical). I did a change of careers to land my first teaching job, if that makes you feel any easier.
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M_Almeida



Joined: 28 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Re-considering due to negativity - gimme some positives! Reply with quote

bluesman66 wrote:
Hi everyone.

I must begin by saying that having spent the last couple of months trawling this forum, I have been kind of overwhelmed by the wall of negativity which jumps out and grabs me by the throat anytime I log on here. Now...I hasten to add this is not directed at, nor is it attributable to any particular individual. It just seems that there are horror stories a-plenty, coupled with the fact that getting to teach in Japan seems to be something of a nightmare scenario shrouded in red tape and bureaucracy, and i have enough of that MOD EDIT

It's putting me off the idea a tad. Well, for Japan anyway. I'm still keen to do this, so maybe one (or more) of you guys can advise of other routes, and recount more positive avenues and/or experiences. Thanks!!!


Red tape? Japan's visa system isn't much harder than most of the other developed countries. Heck, um, technically- UK citizens can take a working holiday in Japan as a way to eventually get a work visa. I, as an American, do not have that option and so have to land the job from overseas or on a tourist visa. That's a piece of red tape not in your way? Laughing

(See also: Americans trying to get visas from Korea- THAT looks like annoying red tape, yet I see plenty of grads climbing that mountain anyways.....)

As for teaching in Japan or not, well- really, the way I see it, I'll never know how "awful" it is, until I try to pursue it for myself. I snagged an interview with an eikaiwa, and this weekend (spending a mini fortune to fly from Florida to Los Angeles) I'm off to test the waters. If I fail, well, I know I won't be alone from what I've read on this forum, and I have a phone interview with another eikaiwa sometime soon as well, which will also require me to fly to LA (or Toronto) if I pass their screening. I figure if I ring enough of these people, SOMEBODY has to eventually give me a job. Even if I get a bad job, I do have to remember that once I have that work visa, it's mine for an entire year. I can theoretically find a better job once I land in country so long as I'm willing to sniff around.

I take all these accounts with a grain of salt, although I am grateful that these sites do exist to warn people of good companies and bad ones. At least give it a shot! What do you have to lose in the end, really? Smile
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sabina



Joined: 11 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Japanese visa process is the easiest thing EVER. Your employer really does most of the work. If you want a nightmare & a lot of red tape try getting a teaching visa for Korea.
People rarely go out of their way to post about their positive experiences and that's why you're left with a bunch of negativity and bad vibes on message boards. You really shouldn't base a major life decision (like coming to teach in Japan) off of what you read on message boards.
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ghostrider



Joined: 30 May 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah. I agree with Sabina. I applied for jobs in so many cities after I graduated and I then applied at 3 big eikaiwa places and was accepted by 1 (I was a nervous, shy newbie with no teaching experience). After that, I hardly had to worry about anything and was over within 3 months.

The negativity you'll read is about the working conditions, conditions of the contract, various aspects of life while in Japan, not getting hired and getting over.
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mstoffer



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having a blast teaching in Japan so far. Very happy with my decision. Even the bad times are part of the adventure.
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Mr_Monkey



Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu

PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gimme some positives?

I love living in Japan.

How's that?
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wiganer



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give you some good advice OP - stick to Europe and if it all goes Pete Tong then Easyjet will fly you back to mummy for 40 quid. If what gets said on an internet forum is putting you off from going to Japan then you are not ready for anywhere in Asia yet. Come back in a few years but until then, look for a nice job in Spain. Wink
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dmocha



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: Japan was a blast! Reply with quote

Japan was a blast!

I made a ton of money!

It took a while to make connections but once I did my network kept me in work.

My gaijin network was mostly NON-teachers. This meant I didn't have to listen to a lot of whining and whinging.
(that's a hint Wink )

When, after nearly two decades, it started to get sour, I left. Japan didn't go sour, I did. Too long in one place...same old same old

After I got back to Canada, and only then, did I fully realize just how good Japan had been to me.

You can't step in the same river twice.
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Great Teacher Umikun



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
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Location: Back in Japan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It�s just human nature, bluesman.

Most people only feel a need to vent when things go wrong. When things go right, they become more relaxed about it and feel no need to vent, and so you�re nowhere near as likely to hear about the good times. Best to take all the negativity with a grain � no, a kilogram � of salt. ^_^
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cvmurrieta



Joined: 10 Jul 2008
Posts: 209
Location: Sendai, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some positives? The cherry blossoms in Chiyoda-ku near the Imperial Gardens were nice on Thursday. A young Japanese man was playing the koto in a park in Chiyoda-ku on Thursday. I like Tokyo's subway system. People in Tokyo seem more willing to go out of their way to help you than they do in Sendai.
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bradley



Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's easier to get a visa in Japan than Thailand.

I spent four years in Japan. There are many happy teachers there.
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cvmurrieta



Joined: 10 Jul 2008
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Location: Sendai, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another positive from today is that I had a tasty Ueno Burger in a restaurant in-where else?-Ueno Very Happy
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Shimokitazawa



Joined: 16 Aug 2009
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Location: Saigon, Vietnam

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Re-considering due to negativity - gimme some positives! Reply with quote

bluesman66 wrote:
Hi everyone.

I must begin by saying that having spent the last couple of months trawling this forum, I have been kind of overwhelmed by the wall of negativity which jumps out and grabs me by the throat anytime I log on here.


Friend,

If you're going to choose a country to TEFL in, I'd say Japan ranks right up there at the top. I am not saying the students are great, especially at the high school and university levels, but the quality of life and compensation here can be 2nd to none. Streets are clean and not chaotic like in Bangkok or Taipei and the culture is interesting, unlike Thailand. And it's not nearly as austere as living in the U.A.E. or Saudi Arabia. A person can have fun here.

As the famous sports wear company says, "Just Do it!"
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