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Guiza



Joined: 20 May 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Arriving in September? Reply with quote

Hi,

Yes I realise this topic is probably annoyingly common for most. I have used the search function and there was some useful info however I think it's still worth getting thoughts on September 2011 as all i've found relates to years past and what with all the talk on her about Vietnam "not being what it was" maybe opinions have changed.

I want to come to Vietnam to teach. However the earliest I can get there is the start of September. The term starts in June, what are people's informed opinions on finding full time work on arrival? Is employment and ongoing process in Saigon?

Vietnam is an awful long way for me to come (I've never been there) and I need to try and find some assurances that I will be able to support myself once there without spending all my saved money - not very much!

I am 24, English with 18 months exp teaching in Spain. I have CELTA and a degree in Spanish and Portuguese.

I am very grateful for any honest opinions, thanks
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Jbhughes



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably going to an annoying reply Wink

If you've never been here, how do you know you want to live and work here?
You're probably just a lot braver and more adventurous than me Smile

As for the employment situation in September, my opinion isn't very informed, but my understanding from reading on here and people I've spoken to is that in general, language centres are hiring all year round except over the Tet period and perhaps before and after. Other people will hopefully post and confirm/deny this - whether or not they will be hiring this September will likely be of debate.

Good luck.
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LettersAthruZ



Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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Location: North Viet Nam

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, hiring goes on two things. PRIMARILY on student enrollment...but to a lesser extent, on turnover.

From what I have seen in Viet Nam over the years, the months of April - May and September - November have been stable.....no real increases or decreases in student enrollment. December begins the wind-down phase....where attendance drops off noticeably, and by February's Tet, the schools pretty much become ghost towns. Said enrollment usually does not begin to ramp back up until May. June, July and August....usually the pickings are there for you....it's the high-season and the parents like to pawn their kids off on the English Centres for the summer.

Turnover? Well...do your research...find out WHICH schools have high turnover and WHY.

Most importantly, how long do you intend to stay?? 'Till the economic depression in Europe (and in The U.S.A. as well) ends? Gap year?

IF longer than a year, if you're arriving in September, probably best grab a job at one of the high-turnover places to subsist you until the December/January Tet slowdown/shutdown. At that time, take a breather, and maybe go search around town for longer-term employ at a more reputable centre!

If you're just backpacking, just perform the first half of the preceding paragraph.
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Guiza



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jbhughes wrote:

If you've never been here, how do you know you want to live and work here?


Good question, and this is something that is holding me back. Sometimes when I consider the idea of going to live somewhere so far away that I've never been to nor know the language it does seem borderline stupidty.

However I am young and you only live once etc etc.

The most important factor holding me back is the fact of finding work or not. Something I cannot know for sure unless I secure something before I get there which I will try and do inbetween now and September. If I can't, then that's when my nerve really will be tested.

Thanks for your input and best wishes.
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Guiza



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LettersAthruZ wrote:
Basically, hiring goes on two things. PRIMARILY on student enrollment...but to a lesser extent, on turnover.

From what I have seen in Viet Nam over the years, the months of April - May and September - November have been stable.....no real increases or decreases in student enrollment. December begins the wind-down phase....where attendance drops off noticeably, and by February's Tet, the schools pretty much become ghost towns. Said enrollment usually does not begin to ramp back up until May. June, July and August....usually the pickings are there for you....it's the high-season and the parents like to pawn their kids off on the English Centres for the summer.

Turnover? Well...do your research...find out WHICH schools have high turnover and WHY.

Most importantly, how long do you intend to stay?? 'Till the economic depression in Europe (and in The U.S.A. as well) ends? Gap year?

IF longer than a year, if you're arriving in September, probably best grab a job at one of the high-turnover places to subsist you until the December/January Tet slowdown/shutdown. At that time, take a breather, and maybe go search around town for longer-term employ at a more reputable centre!

If you're just backpacking, just perform the first half of the preceding paragraph.


Thanks for the reply.

I would imagine I would stay until just before Tet.

However you suggest that December and January some classes stop and hours decrease for most teachers?

What happens in the post-Tet, February - May period?

I am not completely getting the academic calender in Vietnam:

June - Feb is the first half of the academic year (?) What happens in terms of teaching hours in Feb - May? When is Vietnam's equivalent of Europe's long school summer holidays?
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guiza wrote:
I would imagine I would stay until just before Tet.

However you suggest that December and January some classes stop and hours decrease for most teachers?


Yep yep yepper....it slows down and hours get cut noticeably! Not, like, an hour gets axed off of your work week here and there....naw, it is noticeable....and painful.

I really don't know what ta tell ya...IF you had been around for a while, you'd get a reputation and you could go through December and January with private tutors and maybe a contract class on the side/moonlighting....but, sadly, these generally aren't able to be picked up by folks just hangin' for three months or so who have never been here before Sad

Basically?? Prolly squeeze as many classroom hours between September and December as you possibly can, and just take January off to travel....or just leave and head home after the Solar New Year.

OR, if you DO sign a contract for, say, six months - make SURE that there is something in there where you'll get "....XX number of teaching hours per week UP UNTIL JANUARY 15th" or something like that! DO NOT ALLOW THEM to state to you "...uhhh, well....we will see depending on enrollment in December and January" - 'cause being prolly thee most recently hired, you'll be the first to get your hours cut in December under that scenario!!

Guiza wrote:
What happens in the post-Tet, February - May period?


Usually dead until early-to-mid-April....depending WHEN exactly Tet is held. However, Tet's really early this coming year (January 23rd).....so student enrollment and hiring SHOULD begin to ramp back up late-March-ish.....MAYBE sooner.....

Late May, June, July, August and early September, the jobs are yours at your pleasure......summer is the really busy season for private English Language schools.

Guiza wrote:
I am not completely getting the academic calender in Vietnam:

June - Feb is the first half of the academic year (?) What happens in terms of teaching hours in Feb - May? When is Vietnam's equivalent of Europe's long school summer holidays?


No, in Viet Nam, it IS very similar to a Western school calendar. Public school starts in September, then they get two or three weeks off for Tet, then they return to public school after Tet, and final exams are in late May and public school usually ends in very early June. Then right there from early June through to early September is their summer holiday!
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Guiza



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good info, thanks.

With regard to the dreaded visa...

I would get one in the uk before arriving, applying for a 90 day tourist visa. I would want to book a return flight for well after the 90 day period though. Would this cause problems at immigration?

And a related scenario:

I read a lot about visa runs to renew... How legit is doing this? If I'm at the airport, returning from Bangkok and asking for a visa to enter Vietnam, they will know from a glance at the recently expired visa in my passport exactly what I'm up to. I guess it doesn't sound illegal, just a bit dodge, it is okay in the eyes of the law to do this?

I also read on another website that it is cheaper to simply wait and get a visa on arrival as this avoids postage and embassy admin costs. true / false? Can you still get the 90 day visa on arrival or would they be likely to restrict it to 30?

the joys of visas
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guiza wrote:
That's good info, thanks.

With regard to the dreaded visa...

I would get one in the uk before arriving, applying for a 90 day tourist visa. I would want to book a return flight for well after the 90 day period though. Would this cause problems at immigration


Here's a fun argument on whether you really have to have/forced to show the airline or Immigration PROOF of a return ticket or onward journey ticket (from my experience, you really don't need to) - http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=940484&highlight=#940484

Guiza wrote:
I read a lot about visa runs to renew... How legit is doing this? If I'm at the airport, returning from Bangkok and asking for a visa to enter Vietnam, they will know from a glance at the recently expired visa in my passport exactly what I'm up to. I guess it doesn't sound illegal, just a bit dodge, it is okay in the eyes of the law to do this?


You just do the Visa On Arrival at any one of trillions of Websites/online Vietnamese travel agencies offering this service!! Hell, I know fellow teachers (no Residency or Work Permit) who have had to go to their Embassies to purchase more pages for their passports because the Vietnamese Visas every three months pretty much ate away all of the free pages they had left! So, no - the THREE-MONTH MAXIMUM VISA is simply a ca$h grab by the Vietnamese Government....no, it ain't gonna raise any eyebrows (at least I never heard of ANY of my fellow teachers having issues after a Bangkok flight) at Vietnamese Immigration......

Guiza wrote:
I also read on another website that it is cheaper to simply wait and get a visa on arrival as this avoids postage and embassy admin costs. true / false? Can you still get the 90 day visa on arrival or would they be likely to restrict it to 30?


OH GOD YEAH! Never, but NEVER grab a visa at the consulate/embassy in your home nation....it'll be, like, $150USD for three months there whereas on a Visa On Arrival, it goes anywhere from $45 to $75 (INCD. the stamp fee) and the V.O.A. is ALSO 90 days IF you arrive BY AIR ONLY (I have heard that it's 30 days only arriving over land borders).
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