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demitrescou
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 122
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: Delusions of Grandeur |
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This may seem a bit of an immature topic and I guess it kind of is. But anyways...
When you reflect on the status quo of your life, how many of you expected more success/achievements? Whether in adolescence or beyond, how many of you fellow TEFLers out there expected a degree of success that just hasn't come to fruition?
Who perhaps thought they would or hoped to have been a novelist, a playwright, an actor, an athlete etc etc? Or perhaps not even something exotic/glamorous. Maybe a doctor/nurse working in some poverty stricken place, an NGO development worker, a known well-known human rights activist perhaps? So on and so forth.
For even those who sincerely enjoy teaching and can no longer see themselves doing anything else, do you ever reflect and ask yourself if you could have made more of your life? That you had the talent and the smarts to do it but didn't.
I appreciate that this isn't something everyone will find it easy to be totally honest about. Just thought I'd put it out there. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I actually think that teaching language (at its best moments) helps to empower students to maximise their potential - if I contribute something to that, what grander outcome could I hope for?
After all, I've had students who are leading coalitions of countries in sustainable manufacturing, are involved in progressive governments, are involved in energy exploration (and exploitation, I admit), who are doctors and nurses and international attorneys - every grand job/purpose I can think of.
I'm honoured to contribute to their success.
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Jbhughes

Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Posts: 254
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Surely the answer is 'everyone'.
Maybe you're looking for this answer - but I doubt anyone when they were a kid ever dreamt of being an ESOL teacher or a teacher of any sort. I remember vowing to the headmaster of my primary school that I would never be a teacher.
How many people ever manage to get that childhood dream job in late 20th century / 21st century job markets anyway?
MY bro wanted to be a pilot - he's a labourer, I wanted to 'earn a lot of money' - say no more?
My dad's generation was slightly different (I am aware there are posters of his generation - 60s - here and perhaps they can share). At 13, he wanted to be a vet. He was a vet.
On 2nd read, I note the phrase - 'adolescence and above'. However, much of the above still applies I believe. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Dear demitrescou,
I love to teach, and I've been doing it for thirty-four years now. But my secret ambition is to write a great novel.
Will I ever do so? Your guess is as good as mine. But I have no regrets at all about how I've spent my life so far.
The Choice
"The intellect of man is forced to choose
Perfection of the life, or of the work,
And if it take the second must refuse
A heavenly mansion, raging in the dark.
When all that story's finished, what's the news?
In luck or out the toil has left its mark:
That old perplexity an empty purse,
Or the day's vanity, the night's remorse."
W.B. Yeats
Regards,
John |
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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do you ever reflect and ask yourself if you could have made more of your life |
There is more to life than reflecting on what job you could have done and what you might have become. There seems to be an element of self-centeredness about this.
I judge my 58 years on this planet as a relative success despite doing this nonsense for so long.
I might not have made a great success of my own life job-wise but I'll be damned if I am not going to do (and in some respects, have done) my level best to ensure that my family are well-cared for, have a roof over their heads, have clothes to put on their backs, always have food on the table, have no particular financial worries; that my wife, a european news correspondent fulfiills her potential and that my kids are well-educated, have potentially rewarding and personally-enjoyable jobs, get to see the world and live a healthy life.
Once my son has his little business up and running, I think I will rub my hands and say to myself .... "Job done !"
I think that's 'making something of my life'.
Best
Basil |
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demitrescou
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 122
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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After all, I've had students who are leading coalitions of countries in sustainable manufacturing, are involved in progressive governments, are involved in energy exploration (and exploitation, I admit), who are doctors and nurses and international attorneys - every grand job/purpose I can think of. |
Do you ever wish some of the successes upon yourself?
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I actually think that teaching language (at its best moments) helps to empower students to maximise their potential - if I contribute something to that, what grander outcome could I hope for? |
I appreciate that but I'm not the type that likes to exaggerate the importance of language teaching. I believe (or know from my own experience) that language acquisition is acquired through immersion. Obviously you get something from class but it pales in comparison. You'll learn more in 6 months immersed in a given language than probably 5+ years in a classroom. You disagree?
All those years I was forced to attend Greek school were a waste of time. I learned the language here in Greece. More in 1 year than 10+ at Greek school.
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How many people ever manage to get that childhood dream job in late 20th century / 21st century job markets anyway? |
What do you mean? I would think plenty of people who know what they want and are determined have succeeded in getting that dream job. Plenty of people with perseverance have ended up as athletes, actors, film directors, novelists etc.
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MY bro wanted to be a pilot |
Isn't his lack of success more due to a lack of hard work/determination/perseverance, whatever you want to call it? I would have thought with hard work (and perhaps some money) becoming a pilot is a perfectly realistic goal. No?
Just to clarify. My original post on this topic was not meant to suggest that being a TEFLer is a failure. That's not the direction I was taking. I'm talking about whether you believe you could have achieved something more grand. You know what I mean...it's in the O.P. |
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demitrescou
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 122
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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There is more to life than reflecting on what job you could have done and what you might have become. |
Not when you're single with no serious commitments/responsibilities.
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There seems to be an element of self-centeredness about this. |
Of course there is. So? No need to be so judgmental. I appreciate you're in a different boat altogether. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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I appreciate that but I'm not the type that likes to exaggerate the importance of language teaching. I believe (or know from my own experience) that language acquisition is acquired through immersion. Obviously you get something from class but it pales in comparison. You'll learn more in 6 months immersed in a given language than probably 5+ years in a classroom. You disagree? |
I don't disagree with the idea that immersion is necessary, but I do disagree that it's sufficient. The insights that a good classroom can offer are invaluable at all levels. Further, most of my students have been advanced - they have a serious need to analyse and practice professional communication in English. There isn't often an appropriate forum for them to leave anything to chance, as we can do with everyday language use.
I have also experienced immersion (we have a place in my spouse's small Czech town, where Czech is necessary) and I can agree that it's VERY useful - but being able to conduct daily, routine business isn't the same as participating in international meetings, for example. Such communication requires preparation, and a good understanding of what's behind utterances. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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When you reflect on the status quo of your life, how many of you expected more success/achievements? Whether in adolescence or beyond, how many of you fellow TEFLers out there expected a degree of success that just hasn't come to fruition? |
I have to agree with Jbhughes, here. In my opinion, most people probably feel that they could have made more of themselves in life, whether they ponder this at 20, 30, 60, or 90.
To ask this of TEFLers, one might think you have a low opinion of yourself or the profession you are in. Maybe that's because your current situation gets you down? I wouldn't know. I'm certainly not 100% dissatisfied with my own situation and admit there is room for change/improvement. FWIW, I got into TEFL after a career in another industry which paid more and which most people thought more highly of (when I told them I was going to change).
In any case, I think the idea of wishing one could do better applies to practically anyone. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: |
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I'm not so far from what I thought when I was younger. I wanted to be an English teacher, Brit Lit specifically, but in uni I studied Art, my idea and Business, my father's.
I graduated and went into TEFL right away. 9 years later, I'd like to move on somehow in the future. Get into management or admin more. I'm happy where I am now, but think it's important to have goals for the future. |
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Chuckie O
Joined: 14 May 2011 Posts: 11 Location: Earth, Outer crust
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: |
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hah! I've got it backwards. I started out doing the "job" thing. Making money, accumulating products, etc, etc. It's only now at nearly 40 thats I've decided to do something meaningful. Which is to explore the world and teach english. So I guess it's all in how you look at it. |
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demitrescou
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 122
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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To ask this of TEFLers, one might think you have a low opinion of yourself or the profession you are in. Maybe that's because your current situation gets you down? |
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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 1286
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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This is a very interesting topic! Timely, too - I was only just talking about it with my OH last night.
I grew up with some interesting - and relatively famous - characters in my family. I imagined (as a child) that everyone had someone famous in their family and that it was also my duty to achieve fame... delusions of grandeur indeed!
But now I realise that what impressed me most was that these people had done it their way. No boring time-card stamping, no needing to make compromises, just complete dedication to the passions in their lives. Here was work with meaning, a needing to do that work because that was what you were.
I think that the ability to become famous, to achieve in some way, or to turn adversity into triumph comes from refusing to let others call the shots on what you do. You go your own way and do what you have to do - whether that's to be an artist, a writer, or a scientist.
I think I'm finally beginning to achieve more of what I admired in some of my family - the ability to make money without working for a boss. To have a life where I'm in control - not an organisation that pays me. But I'm still working on the fame thing - not quite got there yet! |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: |
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My dreams of world communism are almost realised. Just one more push, forcing a few benighted to be free, and we'll be there. Despite some adversity, it is a historical inevitability. Ura!
Can't make much more of a life than that, can ya?! |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 1317 Location: under da sea
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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We can't all be Britney Spears or Arnold. |
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