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Why do employers take your passport and keep it?

 
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crewmeal1



Joined: 08 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Why do employers take your passport and keep it? Reply with quote

I've read some horror stories on this forum where teachers have been forced to hand in their passports and employers keep them for what seem an eternity. The companies that I've worked for always take a copy of your details and hand it back. The exception is when applying for a bona fida visa of sorts.

I've found companies in the Middle East the worst. My view on those that keep your passport is that they're usually up to no good and mistreating the employee for what ever reason.

I've always been told that I don't own my passport, but the Government does and it's been issued on trust.
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Shroob



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a teacher yet, but hoping to be one. I would be very reluctant to hand over my passport. I would certainly be suspicious of any employer asking me to do so.

Maybe I'm being overly suspicious, is this 'normal practice'?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally speaking, no, it's not normal practice. Perhaps some countries are more notorious for this than others.

If any employer says you must give them your passport for any reason, politely tell them no. If they claim they need certain pages copied, do it yourself, but keep your passport!
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denise



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only country that I know of that does it as a rule is Saudi Arabia, and they can do it because... well, it's Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't work for any employer in any country that insisted on keeping it. Sure, if they need it for a few days to sort out a visa, no problem. But keeping it the entire time? Big problem.

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dustinm90



Joined: 20 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it would be wise to request a second passport that you keep on your person, so that you can get out of the country if need be? I know most countries allow you to do this to get over the Israeli-stamp issue.
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most countries would expect to see documentation of entry unless you're, for example, travelling within Europe and you have a member state passport. I have two passports and have been quizzed on how I entered the country by customs officials whenever I've handed the wrong one over by mistake.

Some countries may require an exit visa if you're there on a work visa so simply having a second passport won't be enough. Years ago I met a teacher who'd worked in Saudi Arabia. At the time, she argued her passport belonged to the Govt. of her country and wasn't hers to hand over. It didn't cut any ice and she had to give it up.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear dustinm90,

A second passport wouldn't help in Saudi - even holding on to your first won't help - because without an Exit Visa stamped into your passport, you won't be able to leave the country.

And only your employer can get you that Exit visa.
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dustinm90



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

artemisia wrote:
Most countries would expect to see documentation of entry unless you're, for example, travelling within Europe and you have a member state passport. I have two passports and have been quizzed on how I entered the country by customs officials whenever I've handed the wrong one over by mistake.

Some countries may require an exit visa if you're there on a work visa so simply having a second passport won't be enough. Years ago I met a teacher who'd worked in Saudi Arabia. At the time, she argued her passport belonged to the Govt. of her country and wasn't hers to hand over. It didn't cut any ice and she had to give it up.


johnslat wrote:
Dear dustinm90,

A second passport wouldn't help in Saudi - even holding on to your first won't help - because without an Exit Visa stamped into your passport, you won't be able to leave the country.

And only your employer can get you that Exit visa.


Thank you for the clarifications, I'm not new to the concept of traveling but the immigration end of it is cloudy waters for me Smile
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dustinm90 wrote:
Perhaps it would be wise to request a second passport that you keep on your person, so that you can get out of the country if need be? I know most countries allow you to do this to get over the Israeli-stamp issue.


The government of Canada won't allow you to have 2 valid Canadian passports at the same time.

If you are a dual citizen you can hold 1 passport from each country.

If your passport is taken and held by your employer simple make a call to YOUR embassy and complain that your employer has taken/stolen your passport. They will often (but not always) make a call to facilitate getting it back. You can also file a police report for the stolen passport and take that to your embassy to get a new/replacement passport (takes a month or 2).

If your employer refuses to release your passport and you wish to leave the country YOUR embassy can also issue emergency travel documents (often the same or next day) to allow you to return home. This is just a replacement for your passport and not an exit document.

Always keep a photocopy of your passport with your personal belongings and as a backup, scan it and e-mail it to yourself. You can then print off a copy when needed. (makes life easier at YOUR embassy when you need a replacement).

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Mr. English



Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never, never, never give your passport to an employer. Send them electronic copies, fine; give them paper copies, fine; never never never give your passport to them.
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mtrenkova



Joined: 11 Jun 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1. Never give your passport to anyone....Or you may head straight to big trouble...
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